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#92407 - 08/26/05 04:22 PM Flam Rudiment Heights
Anonymous Unregistered	I need to do is get my rudiments perfect. So allow me to pose a question to you: What heights would you play on the grace note, Accent, and unaccented note on something like a flam accent?
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#92408 - 08/26/05 04:30 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: ]
flickityschmock Registered: 12/02/03 Loc: Michigan	It depends on the dynamic level indicated. For a forte flam passage with accents, taps and grace notes... 1" grace 3" taps 12" accents
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#92409 - 08/26/05 06:16 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: flickityschmock]
Drummer85 Registered: 09/18/02 Loc: Brunswick, Maryland, USA	I usually keep the Grace notes at 1.5 inches, the unaccented notes at 3 inches and the Accented note at 9 inches for a forte passage. However, if the passage is very soft and just meaty (a lot of notes that add depth and is challenging, but at low heights won't blow away hornline), keep the grace as low as you can get it (hardly audible) and the unaccented notes at 1.5 inches and the accented note at 3 inches. It's all relative, though. _________________________ Scott Smith Proud but unofficial endorser of: Vic Firth Sticks and Mallets, Remo Drum Heads Fantasy Corps Director: The Engineers [color:"blue"]Shenandoah Sound 2005-2006 Percussion (Quads)[/color] [color:"red"] New York Skyliners 2007?? [/color] My Blog: http://choplesswonder85.blogspot.com/
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#92410 - 08/26/05 09:08 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: Drummer85]
Anonymous Unregistered	It pretty much depends on the volume of the passage. My drumline keeps the grace note barely lower in volume then the accented note, where as the unaccented notes are kept inaudible. No matter what the accents should drive a phrase with the unaccented notes pretty much there for support.
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#92411 - 08/26/05 10:45 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Thanks guys
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#92412 - 08/26/05 10:51 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: ]
AsianTenorGuy Registered: 07/29/03 Loc: Baton Rouge, Louisiana	I would play the grace note at tap height...what is all of this three stick heightness? If you play fake flams...it should all sound like taps. Think about it. _________________________ Sometimes....when I am putting oranges in a circle, I think of my thoughts and they make me laugh. (Celebrity Jeopardy) 05 LSU Tenor Line Son!
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#92413 - 08/27/05 10:35 AM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: AsianTenorGuy]
Anonymous Unregistered	No, I'd say the grace notes are softer than taps.
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#92414 - 08/27/05 01:15 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: ]
Wires Registered: 07/12/04 Loc: Jackson, Ohio	I see everyone saying to play grace notes at 1 inch. Be realistic please. In any dense flam passage, you will raise your grace notes to nearly (or the same as) tap height. _________________________ '03-'04 - JHS Snare '04-'05 - JHS Snare '05-'06 - JHS Center Snare '06 - West Athens Cymbal Line
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#92415 - 08/27/05 01:52 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: ]
SCVbass11 Registered: 02/29/04 Loc: California	http://www.drumlines.org/threads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/152987/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1 i wouldve checked here first, but thats just me. _________________________ SCV Cadets 2005-Trumpet SCV Cadets 2006-Bass 5 SCV Cadets 2007-Bass 2 SCV Cadets 2008-Bass 4 (Open Class Champion, High Visual/Brass/Percussion)
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#92416 - 08/27/05 01:56 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: SCVbass11]
cvdlcass555 Registered: 12/08/03 Loc: Pittsburgh, PA	I'd just like to say that 1" is pretty darn low. As good as that could be, i doubt ive ever seen a line play 1" grace notes unless it was a flam excercise. They normally play them at tap heights. _________________________ ~Tom Cassidy~ Know it, Love it, Live it.
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#92417 - 08/27/05 03:47 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: AsianTenorGuy]
DlocPuWons Registered: 05/13/04	Quote: I would play the grace note at tap height...what is all of this three stick heightness? If you play fake flams...it should all sound like taps. Think about it. I agree, I would love to see the person who can get real defintion between taps and grace notes. In flam passages the grace notes should be the same height as the taps. If there is space, say an 8th note flam followed by two unaccented 16ths, than you can and should make the definition. But because of what you're sticks are actually doing during flam accents, An accented 8th, followed by an unaccented triple beat, you shouldn't worry about(not going to say can't)getting that definition. _________________________ ECJ Snare Line 05-06
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#92418 - 08/27/05 06:58 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: DlocPuWons]
Anonymous Unregistered	so division 1 corps at tryouts aren't going to care if your grace notes on flams aren't lower than taps? Edited by slrchs07 (08/27/05 07:27 PM)
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#92419 - 08/27/05 08:33 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: ]
EnigmaticRonin Registered: 11/27/04 Loc: Los Angeles, CA	woah let's not say that. What my private instructor tells me is that there should be 3-heights in a flam exercise. Accent, tap, grace. 12, 3, 1. When you play it slow, the 3 heights SHOULD be different. As you gradually speed up, the tap and grace begin to meld and become the same height. He says it's good to have 3 heights to clean your flams at a slow tempo, and by practicing the flams slow, they sound cleaner when you speed up and the grace note and tap begin to become the same height. So that is to say, Division 1 corps would like it if you could play your flams slowly, but in 3 defined heights. As you get faster, they won't expect you to be able to maintain those 3 heights...right? The more flexibility you got, the better. _________________________ UCLA Tenorline 06-08
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#92420 - 08/27/05 10:09 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: EnigmaticRonin]
DlocPuWons Registered: 05/13/04	Quote: woah let's not say that. What my private instructor tells me is that there should be 3-heights in a flam exercise. Accent, tap, grace. 12, 3, 1. When you play it slow, the 3 heights SHOULD be different. As you gradually speed up, the tap and grace begin to meld and become the same height. He says it's good to have 3 heights to clean your flams at a slow tempo, and by practicing the flams slow, they sound cleaner when you speed up and the grace note and tap begin to become the same height. I completely agree with your instructor. When practicing at 40 BPMs to really work on even sound quality, there should be 3 heights. What I was referring to was flam accents in actual musical context. You really can't have 3 heights. Just like your instructor said, they meld and become the same. _________________________ ECJ Snare Line 05-06
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#92421 - 08/27/05 10:54 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: DlocPuWons]
Wires Registered: 07/12/04 Loc: Jackson, Ohio	Thank you. _________________________ '03-'04 - JHS Snare '04-'05 - JHS Snare '05-'06 - JHS Center Snare '06 - West Athens Cymbal Line
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#92422 - 08/29/05 02:08 AM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: Wires]
geefunk Registered: 06/07/03 Loc: San Diego CA	Isolated flams are the time to play grace notes lower than tap height. The rest of the time, it is helpful to keep a consistant 3" tap and grace note height. Nobody with any realistic view of rudimental drumming (including every D1 instructor I've ever met) will have you play grace notes at tap height. Greg _________________________ Greg BK snareline 99-00 BK indoor 01
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#92423 - 08/30/05 11:10 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: geefunk]
hyperionmsu Registered: 03/22/04 Loc: St. Louis/Springfield, MO	Quote: Isolated flams are the time to play grace notes lower than tap height. The rest of the time, it is helpful to keep a consistant 3" tap and grace note height. Nobody with any realistic view of rudimental drumming (including every D1 instructor I've ever met) will have you play grace notes at tap height. Greg Now along those same lines, when you're flamming non-accented strokes, do the primary strokes inherently get a stress, or do you drop the flams? (Like in McNutts/Nuttchudas, or any gridded stuff.) _________________________ missouri state university - snare 05,06 phi mu alpha sinfonia, iota rho - spring 06
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#92424 - 08/30/05 11:44 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: hyperionmsu]
geefunk Registered: 06/07/03 Loc: San Diego CA	That's a tough question. I try to play all unaccented flams at the same height unless they are isolated. When I write, I use a "half accent" mark to denote emphasized notes that aren't accents, and I use those for emphasis. You should be able to do it both ways, but if a note doesn't have an accent over it, it's probably your best bet to play it at tap height. Greg _________________________ Greg BK snareline 99-00 BK indoor 01
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#92425 - 08/31/05 09:18 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: geefunk]
Anonymous Unregistered	Here is something I was taught years ago. Just to warn you the guy who told me this was an odd fellow, to say the least. When your sticks are at rest, they should be 2" above the head of the drum. To play a tap you lift the wrist slightly, bringing the stick 3" above the head. For a grace note, there is no lifting of the wrist used. Now, he DID say not to just "drop" the grace note but to place it using only a downward motion from the wrist. Accents were defined at 9". To me, this is one of those "sounds great in theory" type of things but isn't very practical in real world applications, especially when playing complex patterns at high tempos and/or dynamics. Most lines I've seen seem to play their grace notes at tap height.
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#92426 - 09/04/05 05:01 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	rest at 2"? We're taught that the beads should be a quarter and a quarter: Quarter of an inch from the head, and quarter of an inch from each other.
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#92427 - 09/04/05 05:09 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: ]
hyperionmsu Registered: 03/22/04 Loc: St. Louis/Springfield, MO	Quote: rest at 2"? We're taught that the beads should be a quarter and a quarter: Quarter of an inch from the head, and quarter of an inch from each other. Depends a lot on the technique you're using, but 1" or so off the head seems to be the norm. _________________________ missouri state university - snare 05,06 phi mu alpha sinfonia, iota rho - spring 06
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#92428 - 09/04/05 10:34 PM Re: Flam Rudiment Heights [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Like I said this guy was a bit odd. 2 inches at rest is way too high for me. 1 inch, I think I could live with. I rest at about a half an inch, personally.
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