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#92172 - 08/22/05 08:04 PM
Keeping your drum still
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I have just started my drill on our school's show, and I'm the freshman snare, so I really need some tips on how to march correctly. In it, the snare line has to take some HUGE steps (4 steps to 5 yards), and I have not figured out any way to keep my drum from bouncing up and down. If anyone has any tips please post them on this. Any help will be greatly appreciated by me and the snare line.
Thanks, Yiannisnare01
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#92174 - 08/23/05 01:29 AM
Re: Keeping your drum still
[Re: Spurz]
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Registered: 10/15/04
Loc: Persian Gulf...as of June
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also for 4-to-the-5 bend your knees, that aids in the reduction of bouncing
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#92175 - 08/23/05 10:37 AM
Re: Keeping your drum still
[Re: drumline_YOUKNOW]
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Registered: 06/13/03
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also for 4-to-the-5 bend your knees, that aids in the reduction of bouncing
I'm going to disagree with that.
Good technique aids in the reduction of bouncing. While it works for the horn myrons, bending looks awful when a battery does it. If you are marching forward, you'll most likely have a snare or two bang their knees into the drum (probably losing a scoop in the process), the tenors won't be able to get past theirs, only the basses may have a shot.
If you're marching backwards and bending your knees, this has to look really awkward and your center of gravity is probably all over the place unless you roll step backwards, yuck. Toes all the way.
Lastly, if you're bending during a crab step, you more than likely will appear to be taking a poo on the field.
Now this is strictly a matter of preference, but I prefer the straight leg approach. For all you wise guys reading this, no, I'm not saying to lock your legs, no one is a robot. The style my programs are taught is very similar to what the Cadets use, especially the crab technique, minus the right foot lead 
After marching in two corps and a wgi line with three different styles, these are the conclusions I've come to. However if anyone reading this has a justified opposite pov, I welcome it.
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#92176 - 08/23/05 11:56 AM
Re: Keeping your drum still
[Re: snarepaint]
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March with out your drum at first. Is your upper body bouncing? Everything that we do marching wise is controlled by our legs, feet, and toes. It should look as if you and your drum are floating out there.
To control your upper body, you have to control the muscles in your legs.
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#92177 - 08/23/05 01:37 PM
Re: Keeping your drum still
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Registered: 12/04/04
Loc: Band room attic
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sadly its more effort for people who play tenors, for girls like myself its even harder cause we have hips and they naturally swing. you'll get the hang of it eventually. remember to get up on your toes as well ^_^
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03' - bass - freshmen
04' - tenors - sophmore
05' - tenors - junior
06' - tenors - senior
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#92178 - 08/23/05 02:15 PM
Re: Keeping your drum still
[Re: snarepaint]
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Registered: 06/16/00
Loc: Southern MD
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also for 4-to-the-5 bend your knees, that aids in the reduction of bouncing
I'm going to disagree with that.
Good technique aids in the reduction of bouncing. While it works for the horn myrons, bending looks awful when a battery does it. If you are marching forward, you'll most likely have a snare or two bang their knees into the drum (probably losing a scoop in the process), the tenors won't be able to get past theirs, only the basses may have a shot.
If you're marching backwards and bending your knees, this has to look really awkward and your center of gravity is probably all over the place unless you roll step backwards, yuck. Toes all the way.
Lastly, if you're bending during a crab step, you more than likely will appear to be taking a poo on the field.
Now this is strictly a matter of preference, but I prefer the straight leg approach. For all you wise guys reading this, no, I'm not saying to lock your legs, no one is a robot. The style my programs are taught is very similar to what the Cadets use, especially the crab technique, minus the right foot lead
After marching in two corps and a wgi line with three different styles, these are the conclusions I've come to. However if anyone reading this has a justified opposite pov, I welcome it.
I agree with you (straight leg approach) but bending the legs does have a purpose.
Think of your body as a set of springs and stabalizers. Your first stabalizer would be your foot and its platform(s), then going on up, your ankle is a spring. Calf: stabalizer, knees: spring, thighs/glutes: stabalizer, hips: spring, waist, lower, middle and upper abdominals: stabalizer, neck:spring.
If you take the straight leg approach , basses especially will feel very top heavy. By adjusting the knees (i'm not talking "the limbo" here), you lower your center of gravity and you'll be able to use more of a "push off" for jazz-run like drill sets. Its all about moving fluidly. Keep the upper body still and let the legs do the work. Marching is the only time you'll hear the word "tense up" and it will be good. You legs and abs must provide a lot of muscle contribution, or you will look like a camel bouncing up and down.
Look at Star 93's bass line (and the rest of the line too...). They had some ridiculous 5 to 5 drill. They did it smoothly while bending the knees and fluidly "pushing off" the platform (while spinning from forward to backward). Getting that fluid push off to work with your knees and ankles to counter the bounce is what seals the deal.
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#92179 - 08/23/05 03:41 PM
Re: Keeping your drum still
[Re: kevin_fu]
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Anonymous
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I used to have the problem with my drum bouncing, but I find if I stand up very straight and breathe in, filling my harness with my upper body, my drum will stay straight.
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#92180 - 08/23/05 04:21 PM
Re: Keeping your drum still
[Re: kevin_fu]
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Registered: 10/15/04
Loc: Persian Gulf...as of June
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I agree with you (straight leg approach) but bending the legs does have a purpose.
Think of your body as a set of springs and stabalizers. Your first stabalizer would be your foot and its platform(s), then going on up, your ankle is a spring. Calf: stabalizer, knees: spring, thighs/glutes: stabalizer, hips: spring, waist, lower, middle and upper abdominals: stabalizer, neck:spring.
If you take the straight leg approach , basses especially will feel very top heavy. By adjusting the knees (i'm not talking "the limbo" here), you lower your center of gravity and you'll be able to use more of a "push off" for jazz-run like drill sets. Its all about moving fluidly. Keep the upper body still and let the legs do the work. Marching is the only time you'll hear the word "tense up" and it will be good. You legs and abs must provide a lot of muscle contribution, or you will look like a camel bouncing up and down.
Look at Star 93's bass line (and the rest of the line too...). They had some ridiculous 5 to 5 drill. They did it smoothly while bending the knees and fluidly "pushing off" the platform (while spinning from forward to backward). Getting that fluid push off to work with your knees and ankles to counter the bounce is what seals the deal.
thats what i meant by the post, i just don't have a way with words like others do.
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#92182 - 08/23/05 09:40 PM
Re: Keeping your drum still
[Re: multipercussion]
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Thank you all for all the help. It turned out that the two bars sticking down were bumping my legs, and I wasn't staying on my toes (our marching style). Also, my legs were way too bent so I fixed that. I was also able to help the rest of the line. With the proper respect of course. (I'm a freshman) 
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#92185 - 09/06/05 05:22 PM
Re: Keeping your drum still
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i dont know exactly what kind of style you use, but in mine when you crab get up on your toes that helps you have a better balance and also get really low to the ground if you have to take really big steps or go really far.
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#92186 - 10/06/05 07:39 PM
Re: Keeping your drum still
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Registered: 08/27/05
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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i had a similar problem my freshman year with our pirates show, we had a huge hit in our first song, a stand still for 16 counts, next 16 counts we moved from 45 to the 25 and i was only like 5'2" last year, it was a crabstep too. I play snare, we have the carbon fiber Pearl harness, i don't think they currently make them anymore, but it hit my thighs, it was so hard to march, until i grew i always had to bend my knees to march that set, but as i grew, im now like 5'6", the same harness fits and i always keep my legs straight now
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05-06 Center Snare
06-07 Center Snare / Drum Captain
07-08 Drum Major
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#92187 - 10/09/05 12:17 AM
Re: Keeping your drum still
[Re: SPHSSnare]
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Yeah, when instructing others on how to march, I find that comparisons work great when you're trying to get a point across. Something they can relate to.
Smoothness wise: imagine you're on a track, just like a camera on movie set when they do those long rolling shots. Your legs are your shocks. They should never bend going backwards, you being up on your toes, keeping your weight just a tad forward to keep the weight away from your heels. Also imagine your drum is actually a bucket on a carrier and is filled with water to the brim. Do everything in your power to keep any water from spilling out.
With crabbing I would go with AsianTenorGuy's "be a ninja" technique. With tenors, a lot of less-experienced players tend to let the drum tip back and forth. The key is to seperate the upper body from the lower body. The drum is only going to do with the upperbody does, so in thinking about keeping the drum steady, think about what would make it move in the first place.
If you were invisible, make it look as though the drum was floating steadily. Yeah, I'll shut up now.
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#92188 - 10/09/05 10:00 PM
Re: Keeping your drum still
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I didn't clarify this before, but I am crabbing. The main problem is I can't keep my legs completely straight, and I think that is the problem. But no matter what I do, I can't straighten them. Now that's what I need help on. Any suggestions for that. I've been told lift my upper body up, and that will fix it, and it helps, but I just can't seem to get it right. Also, I am a big perfectionist, so I need help. Thanks.
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#92190 - 10/10/05 02:03 PM
Re: Keeping your drum still
[Re: Baker]
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Registered: 09/25/05
Loc: Cary/Greenville NC
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For crabbing, your legs aren't going to be completely straight. To get your leg across the other, you're going to need to bend the knees, so I'm not quite sure what you're asking.
Nope. Crabbing does not require the bending of your knees. If you keep your upper and lower body separated and your feet in two separate plains, Then you do not have to bend your knees. Bending your knees while crabbing will prevent you from standing up straight, which will influence bad posture. Bending of the knees while crabbing will also influence you to not stay up on your toes, which could lead to rolling/dragging your foot, which could lead to falling over. All in all, don't bend your knees while crabbing. It's not a good idea.
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#92191 - 10/11/05 10:38 AM
Re: Keeping your drum still
[Re: kevin_fu]
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Anonymous
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Even though it may take a while to get used to, I like the larger crabstepping approach. If you sorta drop down and book it, it should be simple, with time to get it looking great.
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#92192 - 10/18/05 09:46 PM
Re: Keeping your drum still
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Even though it may take a while to get used to, I like the larger crabstepping approach. If you sorta drop down and book it, it should be simple, with time to get it looking great.
Agreed, bend your knees when you crabstep makes it snugglebunny easier.
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#92193 - 10/18/05 09:52 PM
Re: Keeping your drum still
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Registered: 11/15/04
Loc: Raleigh, NC
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i dont know exactly what kind of style you use, but in mine when you crab get up on your toes that helps you have a better balance and also get really low to the ground if you have to take really big steps or go really far.
where did i say not to stay up on your toes?
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#92194 - 10/18/05 11:10 PM
Re: Keeping your drum still
[Re: multipercussion]
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Registered: 12/04/04
Loc: Band room attic
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keep harness in between your hips...........tell chicks to march like a guy without swinging their hips.
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Sun Valley High School Spartan Sound
03' - bass - freshmen
04' - tenors - sophmore
05' - tenors - junior
06' - tenors - senior
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#92197 - 11/04/05 08:31 AM
Re: Keeping your drum still
[Re: Spurz]
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Registered: 10/28/05
Loc: Copiague, New York
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Inspect your harness and make sure everything is nice and tight. If anything is loose it may cause problems and make the drum bounce up and down.
Also, please make sure you are roll stepping. It makes it SO much easier to march and it keeps your drum very still as long as you aren't flat footed or have oil tankers for feet you should be fine.
This is very good information also bend your knees slightly. When crabing make shore to lead with the heel. You must also make shore you keep good posture. Your you have bad posture every bad move will be exaggerated by the movement of the drum.
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