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#84559 - 06/13/05 04:22 PM Flank vs. Crab Step
Anonymous Unregistered	I'm fairly new to the line this year because i played sax. I was wondering for the people who have marched both, which is eaiser/more fun to do Crab Step, or Flanking/Sliding?
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#84560 - 06/13/05 04:29 PM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: ]
ghostman Registered: 07/05/04 Loc: Missouri	Crabbing is one of the most fun things to do period. It looks a lot cooler than flanking/sliding too. _________________________ Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...but mine is right and yours isn't!
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#84561 - 06/13/05 07:37 PM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: ghostman]
rscdrummer2007 Registered: 07/02/04 Loc: North Carolina	absolutely crabbing, it looks really cool on the play back video. it makes us stand out from the rest of the band. _________________________ Constitution 2007-2008..here I come!
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#84562 - 06/15/05 06:32 PM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: ]
bac0810 Registered: 06/08/05 Loc: Orlando, F.L.	i love crabbing because not only does it look cooler and more fluid, but because...it is totally awesome. Thats all everyone else in the band wants to learn how to do...besides holding the stick traditionally (but thats a totally different thread) _________________________ FHS Snare '03-'07 [color:"red"]BAC '08[/color]
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#84563 - 06/15/05 07:01 PM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: bac0810]
Anonymous Unregistered	Crabbing all the way. That's what sets the drums apart from the band.
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#84564 - 06/15/05 10:09 PM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: ]
scottypI4 Registered: 11/21/04 Loc: Ohio	A situation in which some might find flanking to look pretty cool, as well. _________________________ Scott Pethuyne TBDBITL I-Row The Pride of the Buckeyes OSUMB Percussion Section
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#84565 - 06/16/05 10:10 AM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: scottypI4]
bacquads5 Registered: 02/01/05 Loc: USA	Crabbing has always looked cool, and has always been fun to march. therefore, i'd say crabbing. _________________________ Landon Baker BAC '08 Quad-Line psalms: 150
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#84566 - 06/16/05 04:43 PM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: bacquads5]
kevin_fu Registered: 06/16/00 Loc: Southern MD	flanking is generally only used for specific visual effects...otherwise...the drums are meant to project one way...its physics...thats why the crab step was invented. _________________________ -Kevin Instructor/Tech Northern HS - Owings, MD \| Winter '03 - Fall '04 Patuxent HS - Lusby, MD \| Fall '06 Huntingtown HS - Huntingtown, MD \| Fall '07 Project PIW - Pittsburgh, PA \| '05 - Cymbals Promote Tolerance\|Go Redskins!
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#84567 - 06/16/05 05:10 PM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: kevin_fu]
SnoopDougEDoug07 blanks Registered: 11/22/04 Loc: Ohio	Quote: flanking is generally only used for specific visual effects...otherwise...the drums are meant to project one way...its physics...thats why the crab step was invented. If that is the reason crabbing was invented....why don't directional brass players crab step all of the timeas well. You must have learned different physics then I. _________________________ "This is pretty much the worst signature ever made." UGH...Idiot! Mchg*n sucks
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#84568 - 06/16/05 05:21 PM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: SnoopDougEDoug07]
kevin_fu Registered: 06/16/00 Loc: Southern MD	Thats why it's more of a "slide" for winds. They're not restrained by a carrying device, so they can direct their torso while playing. Do I have to explain the reasoning behind that one? _________________________ -Kevin Instructor/Tech Northern HS - Owings, MD \| Winter '03 - Fall '04 Patuxent HS - Lusby, MD \| Fall '06 Huntingtown HS - Huntingtown, MD \| Fall '07 Project PIW - Pittsburgh, PA \| '05 - Cymbals Promote Tolerance\|Go Redskins!
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#84569 - 06/16/05 05:34 PM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: kevin_fu]
scottypI4 Registered: 11/21/04 Loc: Ohio	I think what he's saying is that crabbing was invented because carriers make it very difficult to flank unless you have the bottom of the carrier strapped to your body (I know this is possible because the quads at Ohio State have done it for years), not because "the drums are meant to project one way" or something like that. _________________________ Scott Pethuyne TBDBITL I-Row The Pride of the Buckeyes OSUMB Percussion Section
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#84570 - 06/16/05 06:38 PM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: scottypI4]
kevin_fu Registered: 06/16/00 Loc: Southern MD	indirectly, yea. the carriers make the drums project in one direction (forward). the carriers restrict the player from doing flanks while still projecting forward. therefore, the drums, when used with a carrier, are meant to project forward, thus the reason the crab step is used. Yea, I'm not doing such a good job explaining this because its a simple concept that shouldnt need explaining and theres no point in arguing it. _________________________ -Kevin Instructor/Tech Northern HS - Owings, MD \| Winter '03 - Fall '04 Patuxent HS - Lusby, MD \| Fall '06 Huntingtown HS - Huntingtown, MD \| Fall '07 Project PIW - Pittsburgh, PA \| '05 - Cymbals Promote Tolerance\|Go Redskins!
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#84571 - 06/16/05 07:35 PM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: kevin_fu]
SnoopDougEDoug07 blanks Registered: 11/22/04 Loc: Ohio	Quote: indirectly, yea. the carriers make the drums project in one direction (forward). the carriers restrict the player from doing flanks while still projecting forward. therefore, the drums, when used with a carrier, are meant to project forward, thus the reason the crab step is used. Yea, I'm not doing such a good job explaining this because its a simple concept that shouldnt need explaining and theres no point in arguing it. So....let me make sure I've got this... The invention of crab step is based on a simple equation: If D=the drum volume (in decibels) and C=the height of the carrier (in inches) and Ø = the angle of the flank then: Crab Step = 1/2D^23 * (log(C)/tan(Ø)) (unless of course its a right flank, then its co tangent) and thats all divided by the coefficient of the size of the band right???.... ......Or did I fail physics 101 with professor Kevin_Fu??? _________________________ "This is pretty much the worst signature ever made." UGH...Idiot! Mchg*n sucks
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#84572 - 06/16/05 11:04 PM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: SnoopDougEDoug07]
kevin_fu Registered: 06/16/00 Loc: Southern MD	Close. instead of tan and co-tangent, it should be sin and cosecant. If you take the log base(# of lugs per rim) of that entire equation, you'll get your step size. _________________________ -Kevin Instructor/Tech Northern HS - Owings, MD \| Winter '03 - Fall '04 Patuxent HS - Lusby, MD \| Fall '06 Huntingtown HS - Huntingtown, MD \| Fall '07 Project PIW - Pittsburgh, PA \| '05 - Cymbals Promote Tolerance\|Go Redskins!
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#84573 - 06/17/05 11:05 AM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: kevin_fu]
JackOfAllSticks Registered: 04/24/05 Loc: Aurora, CO	They can walk one way and have their head, torso, and intrument forward. That's exactly the reason Edison made the spine. _________________________ "These are the same programs where the B.D. puts the kids with no talent or natural ability on cymbals.... now that's what I want. the one person on the field who couldnt' find count one if you hit him on the head with a stick (ala Mr. Holand's opus), playing the loudest instrument, that if you're off beat Helen Keller would notice."~ Bobo 2003-2004: Pit 2004-2005: Bass 4 2005-2006: Bass 3
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#84574 - 06/18/05 11:21 AM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: JackOfAllSticks]
Font Registered: 12/27/04 Loc: Miami, Fl	Can't really get a lot of positive Flank stuff here 'cuz, well, most of us are Drummers. Personally, I like the Crab more than the Flank/Slide. Even if I wasn't a Drummer.
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#84575 - 06/18/05 11:38 AM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: kevin_fu]
Paragiggle Registered: 09/20/04	Crabbing, hands down. I'm imagining a drumline flanking/sliding right now, and I must say, it looks pretty weird. _________________________ We don't play at football games. We graciously allow the football team to play during our outdoor concerts. Del Norte High School(CA): Snare '02 Upper Perkiomen High School(PA): Tenors '03-04 Denison High School(TX): Snare 05'
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#84576 - 07/18/05 01:22 PM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: Paragiggle]
Anonymous Unregistered	Crabbing. To add to the invention discussion, one must consider spacing as well. You extend spacing when you flank. I think it is 90% projection and facing a drum major, etc.; however, it's also difficult to listen in to the center in certain flanking positions (tenors and snares). Don't y'all think it would look funny if the snares were marching drum to butt, drum to butt the whole show? On crabbing, you gotta keep it uniform too. Some lines don't make it look slick. It's hard to get the step space right, also.
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#84577 - 07/20/05 12:33 AM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: ]
Jon Registered: 07/14/04 Loc: Iowa	Honestly, when you have the right drill, take the drum off and I'd rather flank. Crabbing is great and all, it sure looks cool with a drum on, but the only reason it exists is BECAUSE of the drum...could you imagine a hornline crabbing for an entire show? Now, when talking about cymbals, that's another discussion all together. _________________________ Yes, I did march Corps. No, I wasn't a drummer, I was a Contrabass player. No, I DON'T wish I'd played Soprano or Cymbals.
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#84578 - 07/20/05 10:05 AM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: Jon]
Anonymous Unregistered	I think it was DCI '95 and Phantom (I believe?) crab stepped off the field. The whole band. I can remember the announcer, "Look, they're crab stepping off the field!!" I just remember the excitement when the whole band crabbed off. That was sweet. Jon, I think I hear your opinion, but the fact of the matter is that there will be a drum. Always. This is drumlines.org, not hornlines.org. And cymbals will march both, depending on whether they are holding for snares (and they choose to crab also).
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#84579 - 07/20/05 10:16 AM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: ]
Jon Registered: 07/14/04 Loc: Iowa	Um...yeah...I'm not sure what was going on there...can I respectfully ask an admin to delete my last post because it was, well, pointless and dumb? _________________________ Yes, I did march Corps. No, I wasn't a drummer, I was a Contrabass player. No, I DON'T wish I'd played Soprano or Cymbals.
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#84580 - 07/20/05 12:25 PM Re: Flank vs. Crab Step [Re: Jon]
Cadet311 Registered: 09/12/04 Loc: North NJ	Seeing an entire band crab is a pretty cool feat. We've done it a few times - two blocks crabbed into one big one. But yes... crabbing. If my drummers try to Flank/Body Plane/Slide/whateveryouwannacallit - they're dancing shortly thereafter from my sticks being thrown at them. _________________________ I teach some lines - ask me Bridgemen Quads 07, Snare 08 http://www.tgcmusic.net - MY Website - CZPercussion
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