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#44268 - 06/10/04 01:12 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: phillip]
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Registered: 02/25/04
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But before I leave my high school band it will be one of my goals.
So breaking the school's cymbals is cool? 
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#44271 - 06/10/04 02:52 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: prestonsnare]
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Registered: 02/07/03
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Actually 2 weeks ago i broke our schools gong. it is really old and it jsut cracked when i hit it.
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#44272 - 06/10/04 03:07 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: loser_boy]
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Registered: 11/09/03
Loc: Maryland, College Park
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A lot of people break gongs. Improper playing technique.
I recommend Tim Richards - CYMBAL AND GONG TECHNIQUES PAS VIDEO. It’s about $20. If you follow this you will not break a cymbal.
It’s hard to vocalize how exactly to play one you must be shown to get the full feel of it.
I've known at least 3 people that have broken gongs, and I know 4 people that have broken Set cymbals. The people that broke the set cymbals a) dropped them and they cracked, b) hit them to hard and they cracked, and c) tightened the cymbals down to much and when it vibrated the dome split. There are limits to everything. It’s a good idea before you go out and mess around with something to learn the proper technique to using it. I'd not want some random person behind the wheel of a bulldozer. Do your self a favor and read all the "how to" books you can.
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okay I was checking out some of my drumming sites and came across this http://www.cse.ogi.edu/Drum/FAQ/cracked_cymbal.html
Edited by BismarkUMD (06/10/04 04:18 PM)
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#44273 - 06/10/04 03:31 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: phillip]
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Registered: 05/28/01
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phillip said:
havent broke one yet. But before I leave my high school band it will be one of my goals. I am the person known for breaking things in the band room.
I agree with what was already stated before me: do you think it is cool to break stuff that isn't yours?
I think you should change your behaviour/attitude so that you are the one known to care the most for the band's equipment.
It's things like this that give drummers bad reputations.
Moving on to the topic...
I haven't broken any cymbals. I am a little surprised some of you haven't heard of warming up the gong though. Bismark is right, read some "how to" books or something to prevent breakage.
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#44274 - 06/10/04 04:21 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: centersnare]
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Registered: 12/28/03
Loc: Toledo, OH
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At our HS, we have two sets of broken cymbals which were used this marching season.
One set broke while I was watching NVBassDrum3192 playing cymbals. We were playing the Hey Song, and on that song we crash high. And one time when he brought his cymbals back up to crash again. I noticed I could see light through his cymbals. I quickly dropped my cymbals and got him to stop crashing. I took his cymbal, and looked at it. And he had a crack 1/2 of the way into his cymbal. We braught it to our BD, and he just said like, "Yep, thats a crack" He said he would drill it out, so it wouldn't spread. Which consisted of just drilling a hole at the bottom of the crack. Well, he tried to do that but couldn't, so he cut the entire part where there was a crack out. And it went the rest of the season with a cut out of it.
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#44276 - 06/10/04 09:34 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: BuddhaOfDrumming]
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Registered: 06/10/04
Loc: Florida
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Yea i guess it is cool to break some cymbals but only if u do it while u r playing! Last year at our HS someone thought it would be funny to drill a whole in one of the cymbals!!??!! With out saying the whole was drilled but the cymbal cracked all the way to the edge of the cymbal! So, yea it is kinda stupid but kinda funny!
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#44279 - 06/10/04 10:22 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: basil]
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Registered: 07/01/03
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Once this winter drumline had their 2 cymbal players do a cartwheel, and one of the plates got inverted. I never understood why they would have a visual like that. I would assume it would invert a lot, and can't be good for the cymbal.
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#44284 - 06/11/04 07:29 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: BuddhaOfDrumming]
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Registered: 06/11/04
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at my school we actually traditionally march a stick section in our cymbal line. 4 of 12 players carry a single nylon tip hardamin or delusha and will play rhythmic patterns that fit right in all the music. In the rock show against ohio state we were playing black dog/kashmire (don't think i spelled it right) and there was a hugh "rock out" at the end. needless to say, i didn't know i could break a 18in Sabian AA with a hardamin but it happens i guess. thats also one of the reasons the other 8 players march hand hammered-s and the sticks dont... for some odd reason i felt proud but breaking cymbals is never a good thing. ha i am nearly in tears when i see one inverted...
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#44286 - 07/07/04 01:17 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: PitmanofWRHS]
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Registered: 04/08/03
Loc: McKinney, TX
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So they got inverted  I think I have told this story before in another thread, but I know it is long gone and it is a good story. Well I don't know the exact setting and when it happened, but when I marched cymbals at UNT one of the girls on the line told me about some trumpet player and his brilliant idea. Apparently he got the idea to take on of our 18" cymbals and toss is straight up in the air. Well, a interesting thing happened...this funny little thing called gravity took over and the cymbal came straight down and landed on the other side of the band and buried half way into the ground.
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#44288 - 09/23/04 07:22 AM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: FreakieFrolycer]
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Registered: 05/26/03
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I'm marching cyms for my third year at USC now. I've broken through at least 15 pairs of cymbals. There's this small issue of our drum instructor wanting a few of us to march chinas at games after we've been practicing on stadiums. Chinas are alot a lot thinner and flimsier than regular cyms, so they break along the edges very easily. And if you get enough strength and time in any pair of cymbals, they will break. I've gone through everything from concert cymbals, to Z-macs to most recently a pair of stadium mediums. Under enough wear, anything will break. There's really not much getting around it. Inverting is just about the same. The more you play cymbals and the harder you play them, the weaker they get. Over time, inverts will happen. Usually a cymbal will either invert or break, but not both. I played in a div 1 cymbal line over the summer and almost all of us managed to invert sabian hhx viennese or germanics. We all had good technique, so that wasn't the issue. That's all for now.
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#44289 - 09/23/04 09:27 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: SCCymbalSlinger]
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Registered: 09/24/03
Loc: Ann Arbor, Michigan
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SCCymbalSlinger said:
The more you play cymbals and the harder you play them, the weaker they get. Over time, inverts will happen.
Not necesarily, it really depneds on the technique used. With certain techniques, volume doesnt mainly come from the force of impact but rather the speed of the flam, and how you push through the flam.While it is true that playing a cymbal with any technique decreases its structural integrity, you can avoid any real bad damge( inverting or cracking). And the softer a cymabal is towards the edges, the easier it is to control. 
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#44291 - 09/27/04 02:55 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: APCenter]
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Registered: 08/03/04
Loc: Lake Charles, LA or Prairie Vi...
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Man, broken cymbals suck, lol.
Theres this one guy by the nickname of "S.U." who is pretty much notorius for breaking the plates. Now, all we march with are 20 inch field Zildjians, medium-heavy. Needless to say, breaking, even "inverting" them ain't gonna be easy.
weeeeelllll....
He's been through at least four pairs, and its just his third year here. But fortunately, he's picking up my style of playing, which is just using more wrist than arm when playing. That way, the tempo won't get slowed down due to bringing your arms out to far or whatever and you can play louder. On top of that, the cymbal won't hit all wrong and stuff. (It might be a showband thing...I guess. I can elaborate more on our style of playing if y'all want me to, just let me know).
Anyway, I'd rather play with Zildjians. My experience with those "flexible" Sabians have been less than desireable, lol.
by the way, I'm pretty sure I've even seen this at least once or twice -----> )(
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#44295 - 10/21/04 06:28 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: Kj1337]
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Registered: 10/21/04
Loc: Toledo/Metamora, OH
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We have a pair of concert cymbals that our Sophomore cymbal player marches with, since we lack the proper supplies to give all seven of our cymbals marching cymbals, and he crashes so hard that they tend to get inverted at least once per day.
I've kind of had a reputation with the cymbal grips untying on me, not necessarily breaking cymbals, but, something similar to what happened to GothicDrummer119.
It was one of our first shows infront of an audience, at the fair, and it came to the playing of the National Anthem. I wasn't playing the pair I usually do, since I was lazy and one of the smaller-pair (14'') players wasn't there, so instead of using my 18'' ones, I used the smaller ones. I went to do one of the crashes, and as soon as I moved my arms, the cymbal fell because the grip untied. I was pretty embarressed, but, atleast the crash wasn't out of place.
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#44296 - 11/07/04 04:59 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: BuddhaOfDrumming]
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Registered: 11/04/04
Loc: columbus indiana
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one time when I was marching at a half time show I was crashing and I had to do a triple forte and I had to do like a little solo/visual and I crashed and my cymbal just inverted and then right after that my cymbal strap broke I was so embarrassed
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#44298 - 11/19/04 09:27 AM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: HickDrummer]
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Registered: 06/26/01
Loc: Hewitt, NJ
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HickDrummer - Welcome to Drumlines.org. We hope that you find our website educational and informative. Please read Section 9 Paragraph 1 of the Rules.
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#44300 - 12/17/04 04:02 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: BuddhaOfDrumming]
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Registered: 12/17/04
Loc: florida
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ive broken 3 pairs of cymbals and this is my first year playing them
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#44304 - 01/19/05 02:44 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: MHSdrummer2920]
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Registered: 01/19/05
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Our high school band has always been fortunate to supply a new shiny pair of zildjans every time we get a crack. I have broken 4 pairs. Its easy to break pairs when you are a cymbal line marching independently. We dont hold for snares and our cymbal line has our own uniforms because of all the running and flipping around we do. I think whats funnier than cracked a cymbal.. is inverting them. And worse than any of those, is clipping your chin and having to go have your cut checked out  lol
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#44305 - 01/19/05 03:17 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: Stacie]
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Registered: 01/21/02
Loc: London, UK
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I have broken 4 pairs. Its easy to break pairs when you are a cymbal line marching independently.
I think whats funnier than cracked a cymbal.. is inverting them.
If you're playing with proper technique, there is no way you should be breaking cymbals that frequently.
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#44308 - 01/19/05 04:10 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: Stacie]
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Registered: 01/21/02
Loc: London, UK
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Im talking about four pairs of cymbals (or actually four individual cymbals) during my four years of band
Which for me runs from Late March to dec.. thats not bad considering how hard we play
cymbals can get the slightest crack in them and just continue to break with pressure
That's still way too many pairs of cymbals. They shouldn't break that often. Your technique should be looked at.
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#44310 - 01/20/05 03:31 AM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: Stacie]
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Registered: 12/07/04
Loc: Louisville, Ky
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Invert - When the edges of the cymbals are even, causing no air to enter or exit the cymbal and not letting the vibration of the cymbal to take place. For the most part an invert is caused by playing with bad technique, using to much arm and not enough wrist. Or just by banging the hell out of the cymbal without using a finese touch and not using the bottom/top flam crash (technique).
The only other way cymbals are very likely to invert is if the cymbal was made of a weak pour. This means after the cymbal was melted down from another cymbal it was poured into the casting, and while pouring the handler stopped pouring for a spilt second. Thus causing air to get inside the cast before it is cooled back down to a hard form.
Once a cymbal inverts it is proned to inverting more often yes, but inverting doesnt necessarly cause cracking on the cymbals. And if you knew how to take care of cymbals you would know that if a crack begins you drill a hole at the base of the crack to stop it.
And yes I am sure snare drummers miss a "lick or a chop" once in a while, but they dont bang the hell out of the drum to make it break!
You need to learn to respect your instrument as much as anyone else who know how to play theirs...
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#44311 - 01/20/05 03:57 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: Cymbalistic]
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Registered: 01/19/05
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I love how you really just know everything about how I play or that I use such horrible technique.
Actually, my only pair that ever inverted were ones that were light-medium in thickness and were used before me. None of my new pair did that..
Everyone just knows everything dont they? 
and as far as the "snares having bad licks or chops every now and then" i was talking about inverting and bad technique...
every now and then it just happens
Edit: Please do not double-post. You have 6 hours to edit your original post. Also, the other posters are simply sharing their knowledge.
Edited by Divalish (01/20/05 08:33 PM)
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#44312 - 01/20/05 04:14 PM
Re: Broken Cymbals/Cymbal Stories
[Re: Stacie]
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Registered: 01/21/02
Loc: London, UK
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I love how you really just know everything about how I play or that I use such horrible technique.
Actually, my only pair that ever inverted were ones that were light-medium in thickness and were used before me. None of my new pair did that..
Everyone just knows everything dont they?
How are you breaking cymbals? Where are the cracks at?
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