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#35454 - 03/02/05 12:06 PM Re: "Visual Dynamics" [Re: nicdrumms]
Divalish Global Moderator Offline


Registered: 04/16/03
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I believe in what comes naturally and being nose to the board at "pp" isn't something that feels natural. Not only do I think it looks stupid, but it affects your technique, which in turn afftects your sound.




Not necessarily true. I'm anti-"visual dynamics", but the way that it was suggested to me to over-emote didn't have any effect on technique. At least when it comes to the actual stroke or playing zones, which is what determines sound quality. The only thing that really changed was body placement.
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#35455 - 03/02/05 01:26 PM Re: "Visual Dynamics" [Re: Divalish]
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Registered: 02/19/05
Loc: Fayetteville, Arkansas
For me, as a pit captain/instructor, it goes something like this:

Our band directors leave us alone as far as anything like that goes. My predecissor liked choreography and such, so we did it, and the audience applauded. This year, I put a stop to that nonsense; however, I feel that if you want to get low during a part and walk up and down the keyboard while playing, go for it. Individual expression while playing adds much more than a dance routine. We got applause and compliments from people--"Yeah, you were good".

This year, as I said, we focused on the music. I take it as a much higher compliment when they say something along the lines of "I was tearing up" or "I got goosebumps" than, "yeah, that was a nifty trick there..."

Just my opinion,

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#35456 - 03/02/05 03:44 PM Re: "Visual Dynamics" [Re: Divalish]
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Registered: 03/04/04
Quote:

Quote:

I believe in what comes naturally and being nose to the board at "pp" isn't something that feels natural. Not only do I think it looks stupid, but it affects your technique, which in turn afftects your sound.




Not necessarily true. I'm anti-"visual dynamics", but the way that it was suggested to me to over-emote didn't have any effect on technique. At least when it comes to the actual stroke or playing zones, which is what determines sound quality. The only thing that really changed was body placement.




But don't you think it's a little strange that someone had to teach you to "over emote". How did change in body placement make your performance that much more interesting or musical?

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#35457 - 03/02/05 04:08 PM Re: "Visual Dynamics" [Re: nicdrumms]
Divalish Global Moderator Offline


Registered: 04/16/03
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
If you read the first page of the thread, you'll see my stand on "visual dynamics" so I won't repeat it here. I'm not a fan. I'm a fan of showmanship and musicianship...not choreography.

And what I was talking about when I said "over-emote", I was referring to the whole nose to the keyboard type things. That stuff was defined by an instructor to keep it uniform across the pit. And no, it's not natural and is corny to me, which is why someone had to teach that to me.

And the change in body placement that I was talking about was again, changing the height of your body to reflect your dynamics. i.e. instead of standing with good posture at low dynamics, you'd bend your knees so that your face was closer to the boards. And yes, it makes it more interesting to the majorette and guard parents who don't understand music because they understand movement better. "Ooh, all of them ducked down at the same time...they must be playing softly."
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#35458 - 03/02/05 06:49 PM Re: "Visual Dynamics" [Re: Divalish]
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Registered: 03/04/04
We both agree it's stupid. I did read your stuff on the earlier pages. I guess you read my post wrong when I said "how did it make your performance better"... It was more of "I'm sure with or without what you did your playing didn't change"... I also think that the word "emote" for pit is way over used and doesn't really have any meaning. A triangle is a triangle, and wether you make a face like your taking a dump, or one like you won the lottery, the triangle is still going to sound the same.....

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#35459 - 03/02/05 11:23 PM Re: "Visual Dynamics" [Re: nicdrumms]
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Registered: 08/12/03
Loc: Kentucky
Who dug this one out of the grave?!? This is like beating a dead horse, like many posts on here.
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#35460 - 03/03/05 01:03 PM Re: "Visual Dynamics" [Re: batman98]
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Registered: 05/05/04
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Suppose you have students too introverted and shy to move on their own? Or suppose the music doesn't adhere to what they would normally move to? I feel that encouraging it/teaching (I will never use "forced") it helps some students to get more involved in the actual piece and henceforth appreciate the quality of the work while building a respect for the composer and/or arranger. What do ya think?
(God my spelling is horrible.)




I thought I'd like to comment on this one. In my opinion playing introverted is not at all a bad thing. You don't need to have a huge head bob and large body movements to communicate emotion to the audience. Heck, you don't even have to LOOK at them. For example, I saw an fusion organ trio from new york play on campus. The drummer was very aggressive looking and kind of looked pissed off at us. The gutair player on the other hand would sort of look up at the ceiling, close his eyes and play like a mad man. I felt a great deal of intensity and emotion from both players. When I play drumset, I look at the audience sometimes, but other times I'll hang my head down and just sort of sway my body slightly, if I'm trading fours with the sax player I look at him and nod my head. On the other hand, I went and watched some of my colleague play the other night, and their drummer is about the most extroverted player you can find. He's bobbing up and down, moving around like crazy.

I never tell my students how to look during a certin passage, or event tell them that they have to do something. When they can play the music well, we disscuss the emotions, ideas, and moods of the music and we disscuss what the music says about the human condidtion. If the players know the music well, and are comfortable enough with each other they well eventually start to display some emotion and showmanship. What is important is that each person does what feels natural to them.

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#35461 - 03/05/05 12:41 PM Re: "Visual Dynamics" [Re: Darkquad]
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Registered: 07/30/04
Loc: Chesapeake Beach, MD
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Who dug this one out of the grave?!? This is like beating a dead horse, like many posts on here.




Hehe...and most of them say the same thing.
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#35462 - 03/05/05 07:03 PM Re: "Visual Dynamics" [Re: MusicEngineer]
nicdrumms Offline


Registered: 03/04/04
The face on the yellow guy appears to be emoting anger as he strikes the dead horse, however, it doesn't sound angry, it still sounds like a dead horse!

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#35463 - 03/05/05 07:18 PM Re: "Visual Dynamics" [Re: Beat_Master_V]
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Registered: 10/05/04
Loc: Texas, United States
Im definantely for anything that will make the show look better... As long as it doesnt mess with the sound of the pit section.
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