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#35079 - 03/04/04 07:51 PM Re: Hearing Loss [Re: mantis]
FuBBe Offline
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Registered: 02/16/04
Loc: Atwater, CA
i had that problem. I use earplaugs only when we are just learning our stuff so i can be as clean as possible, but when i don't need earplugs i use cotton balls, it buffles the sound and i can still hear everything. it works really well. I would recommend putting cotton in your ears if you want to protect your hearing but be able to still hear everyting going on.

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#35080 - 03/04/04 08:18 PM Re: Hearing Loss [Re: bpdrums]
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Registered: 11/09/03
Loc: Maryland, College Park
okay. I was wrong. Here. http://www.coolmath.com/decibels1.htm
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#35081 - 03/04/04 10:47 PM Re: Hearing Loss [Re: BismarkUMD]
jimi_thing Offline


Registered: 06/12/03
Loc: Greenville, PA
What?

Oh.. I never have worn ear plugs while playing the drums.. I guess I should start.
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#35082 - 03/04/04 10:52 PM Re: Hearing Loss [Re: jimi_thing]
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Registered: 11/20/03
Loc: Holland, Michigan
i haven't worn ear plugs when i'm around drums, and neither do our instructors. none of us have experienced any hearing loss, or at least nothing that is noticeable.
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#35083 - 03/04/04 10:52 PM Re: Hearing Loss [Re: jimi_thing]
Praetorian Offline


Registered: 09/17/02
Loc: Slidell, Louisiana
Yeah, I've noticed a slight loss of hearing. Playing snare, I have always had 3-2 snares on my left. When I was an underclassman, I was all the way on the right, so my left got 3 snares, two of which are rimshot freaks. This year, I am 3rd from left as captain, and have two guys on my left, one is another rimshot aholic. My left is worse than my right as a result. I have the military issued earplugs in that little puke green case attached to my car keys (stole from my Army brother) but I forget to put them in alot a lot, so that sucks...
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#35084 - 03/04/04 10:53 PM Re: Hearing Loss [Re: jimi_thing]
mantis Offline


Registered: 08/07/03
Loc: †
I don't wear them either. Guess I'll just go deaf.
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#35085 - 03/04/04 10:55 PM Re: Hearing Loss [Re: bpdrums]
ADLMalletTech Offline


Registered: 11/20/03
Loc: Holland, Michigan
i wonder if anybody has actually measured the difference in decibel level of a line playing on the head at level 4 and a line playing rimshots at level 4...perhaps the rimshot level is above the threshold of pain...
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#35086 - 03/05/04 11:28 AM Re: Hearing Loss [Re: ADLMalletTech]
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Registered: 06/26/01
Loc: Hewitt, NJ
Guys, I would seriously advise that you wear earplugs. Having been in/around marching band/corps for over 19 years, I have lost approximately 25% of my hearing in the left ear and 35% in my right. I also have occasional tinitus in my right ear (comes and goes at random intervals) which gets pretty loud. I have trouble hearing conversations, and I can't make out anything certain pitched voices are saying. Mind you, I do not crank up the volume of the radio or TV when I listen to music, nor do I work in a loud noise environment, so all of the damage has been from my marching activities.

Whether you are playing snare, tenors, bassdrum, or even a vibraslap, wear earplugs. Cotton is not good enough as it does not cut out enough decibels to prevent damage. While you might not notice the effects right now, you will when you are older, and I can tell you they're not pleasant. Please wear them.
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#35087 - 03/05/04 12:16 PM Re: Hearing Loss [Re: ADLMalletTech]
mantis Offline


Registered: 08/07/03
Loc: †
Quote:

AHSbassman02 said:
i wonder if anybody has actually measured the difference in decibel level of a line playing on the head at level 4 and a line playing rimshots at level 4...perhaps the rimshot level is above the threshold of pain...




Modern Drummer did a really cool study a few years ago that was kind of similar to this. They measured all of the previously mentioned noise sources (airplanes, traffic noise, rock concerts, etc), but they also measured specific percussion instruments: snare drums, basses, toms, cymbals...and broke it down by size. They also said how many "hits" you could take from each instrument and how long (time length) you could be subjected to it before hearing damage would begin. I remember them saying that one rimshot causes damage (1 rimshot, 1 time, everytime). It's too bad I don't have my old mags here at school or I would break it all down.

I would guess that rimshots are well above the threshold of pain (especially in certain environments). However, I would also guess that prolonged exposure to a line playing 8's (or anything) at a f-ff (maybe even lower) level will get you the same kind of problems.

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#35088 - 03/05/04 04:15 PM Re: Hearing Loss [Re: mantis]
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Registered: 04/25/00
Loc: Drumlines.org Server

I never wore any kind of hearing protection while drumming until a couple of years ago. I am only 25 and have constant tinnitus already. It is impossible for me to go asleep in a quiet room. I cannot stand just being in a quiet room because the ringing is just too annoying.

Here's a table of the results of my last annual hearing test on 28 August.


Frequency L dB R dB
500HZ 10 10
10,000HZ 10 10
20,000HZ 15 10
30,000HZ 20 05
40,000HZ 15 10
60,000HZ 30 25
80,000HZ 05 15

I do believe the decibels mean that is how loud a sound at that frequency has to be before I can hear it.  And remember, a sound at 20 decibels is twice as loud as a sound at 10 decibels, a sound at 30 decibels is four times as loud as a sound at 10 decibels, and so forth.


Use hearing protection kids.

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