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#168663 - 08/03/08 06:59 PM Choice of tenor sticks?
DrummerRunner Offline


Registered: 07/26/08
Loc: NJ
I recently went to a percussion camp at west chester with thom hannum and i saw many of the tenor players using vega tenor sticks. My school uses the vic firth aluminum mallets with the hard plastic round head.

What is the difference between them and which would you recomend?
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#168724 - 08/04/08 08:55 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: DrummerRunner]
tycheeman610 Offline


Registered: 04/16/08
Loc: California, USA
Not too sure whether it's just me, but when I played with mallets, it seemed like it was A LOT easier to do doubles and scrapes.

One other difference, are rim shots. Obviously one will sound more sharp, and the other will be more metallic (metal on metal)

Other than that, I can't really recommend one, because I mainly use vegas :p
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#168730 - 08/04/08 09:17 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: tycheeman610]
A7xDrummer27 Offline


Registered: 06/19/08
Loc: Connecticut
i like mallets better than vegas
and for stick i perfer the hybrids over vegas because they ate front heavy like mallets so they dont mess with your muscle memory during stick changes
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#168731 - 08/04/08 09:19 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: A7xDrummer27]
onespockadam Offline


Registered: 06/01/08
Loc: texas
tom angust hybrid all the way!
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#168737 - 08/04/08 09:36 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: onespockadam]
Creekynoise Offline


Registered: 06/21/07
Loc: Here
I use Vega's myself..why? I do not know, I just love the feeling better then mallets..and its more designed to "cooperate" with the music im playing this year.
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#168745 - 08/04/08 09:58 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: Creekynoise]
A7xDrummer27 Offline


Registered: 06/19/08
Loc: Connecticut
yeah i dont know about vegas everyone i talk to loves them but i just hate the feel. i bought a pair based on others opionions and i just dont like them. they are great to use on my hh quad pad tho
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#168770 - 08/04/08 11:57 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: A7xDrummer27]
Creekynoise Offline


Registered: 06/21/07
Loc: Here
Mine was compared to 2 other pairs: MT1A's and Ralph Hardimon Tenor Sticks...out of the 3 pairs I liked Vega the best on my Quints..but the Hardimons are pretty good themselves. I do want to try the Tom Aungst Tenor Hybrids one day though.
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#168794 - 08/05/08 02:22 AM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: Creekynoise]
xp4nd00bi3x Offline
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Registered: 08/13/07
Loc: TX
our tenor line uses the vic firth mt1a and mt4a. iono why but we just do

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#168800 - 08/05/08 02:30 AM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: xp4nd00bi3x]
Mannineaux Offline


Registered: 03/16/07
Loc: Slidell, Louisiana
VF by FAR has some of the best tenor mallets and sticks you can buy.
I'm hearing some pretty sweet stuff about the new Augnust hybrids. And Vegas are pretty sweet sticks.
Hardimon's are real smooth to play with.
Really no matter what stick you go with you can be sure its well worth the cash.

My favorite would have to be the hybrids. Sounds like a stick, feels like a mallet.

But anywho.
Different mallets and sticks are for different uses. I see tenor lines switch between the 2 all the time.
For rim shots I'd say sticks. I like the warmer and less metalic tone.
I hear sweeps or scrapes are easier with mallets.
But anywho.
Its all based on preference.
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#168821 - 08/05/08 10:29 AM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: Mannineaux]
SkyDog Offline


Registered: 12/29/05
Mallets like the MT1A(-S) will have a fat, round tone compared to sticks because of the weight and the larger contact patch. Because of the size of the 'cookie', more of the mallet head contacts the drum. Sticks, with their smaller bead, will tend to have a sharper, thinner sound on the drums.

Mallets tend to be easier to navigate around the drums because they're a few inches shorter. You don't have to worry as much about your hands getting in the way of one another. (With the smaller "airspace" over small block tenors, this is really apparent.) Sticks have their own advantage in this regard, though: Because they're longer, your hands may not have to move quite as far side-to-side to get from drum to drum.

Mallets tend to feel a little end-heavy because they are end-heavy. It can be a little more fatiguing than the natural balance of a stick.

Overall, I don't think one is really better than the other -- just different. I'd consider the size of your drums and the sound you're looking for when choosing between them.

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#169739 - 08/15/08 07:54 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: SkyDog]
IPstixrawesume Offline


Registered: 01/13/08
Loc: Columbus, IN
Mallets, I think, are the best for small tenors. But the bottom line is: Use what your school purchases. Obviously, your instructor order what he did for a reason, so live with it. If it is your choice, however, I would get the Vic Firth Tom Aungst Hybrid. It is probably the best tenor implement on the market (It's a mallet and a sticks, so would it be a malick?). And this comes from a tenor player whose user name shows he prefers Innovative Percussion.
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#170239 - 08/22/08 06:53 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: IPstixrawesume]
jofus Offline


Registered: 10/20/06
Loc: Florence, AL
I used the Hardimon tenor sticks and Vegas in high school. I absoulutely hated the Hardimons, but I liked the Vegas. MT1As are always good but not for certain styles of music. I used the McNutt snare sticks in college and at Madison, along with the MT4As. The McNutts feel really good on quads.

My new favorite is the Aungst tenor hybrid (go figure right?). It's a well balanced stick with a lot of rebound and still has a full sound. They feel very natural to play with. Playing fast is no problem, and that's why the qb gave them the nickname, "weasels." Feel free to use the nickname at will.
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#170241 - 08/22/08 08:23 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: jofus]
scchsdrummer Online   content
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i prefer
Innovative Percussion:
FT-1s or FT-1AH depending on whether your line uses wood or aluminum shaft.

then theres the FT-2 and FT-2AH if you're looking for a hard felt type sound and, again varying upon whether your line uses wood or aluminum shaft.
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#170258 - 08/22/08 11:06 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: jofus]
Snare21 Offline


Registered: 08/21/08
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: jofus
Playing fast is no problem, and that's why the qb gave them the nickname, "weasels." Feel free to use the nickname at will.

I've never heard that.
Isn't the part of the stick where grip similiar to the rubber grip of a mallet, or something?
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#170319 - 08/24/08 02:31 AM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: Snare21]
9Volt Offline


Registered: 02/12/08
Loc: OH-IO
Yea, It has a fatter part at the end, like the grip on a mallet. In my opinion it looks like an aluminum mallet, made of wood. (No way!) Except for the taper at the end, that reminds me of a vega. It's like, an alloy mallet, made of wood, with a vega taper, and a mallet head. I'm not to hot on it for the looks part, But I hear it plays amazing.

I tend to use the vega's now, simply because I've noticed a lot of corps recently have been using tenor sticks. I personally like mallets a bit better, but If I'm going into corp, and they use tenor sticks, I'm gonna have to use sticks.


Edited by 9Volt (08/24/08 02:31 AM)
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#170341 - 08/24/08 01:20 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: 9Volt]
onespockadam Offline


Registered: 06/01/08
Loc: texas
Originally Posted By: 9Volt
Yea, It has a fatter part at the end, like the grip on a mallet. In my opinion it looks like an aluminum mallet, made of wood. (No way!) Except for the taper at the end, that reminds me of a vega. It's like, an alloy mallet, made of wood, with a vega taper, and a mallet head. I'm not to hot on it for the looks part, But I hear it plays amazing.

I tend to use the vega's now, simply because I've noticed a lot of corps recently have been using tenor sticks. I personally like mallets a bit better, but If I'm going into corp, and they use tenor sticks, I'm gonna have to use sticks.


Try out those hybrids if you haven't first hand. They work wonders, I've tried vega's too and they just don't do it for me.
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#170756 - 08/31/08 08:06 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: SkyDog]
Tenor_Tommy Offline


Registered: 08/30/08
Loc: Illinois
....Pro-Mark Ts5's anyone??
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#171539 - 09/17/08 09:36 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: Tenor_Tommy]
somedrummer104 Offline


Registered: 10/31/05
I like the Pro-Mark System Blue Vegas.

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#171556 - 09/18/08 08:52 AM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: somedrummer104]
DRUMS11 Offline


Registered: 11/01/06
Loc: Columbus, Ohio
The VF Hybrids are fantastic -- a great compromise between a mallet and a stick.

I, too, also really like the Pro-Mark Vegas -- I like the feel of the fat grip area and they have a much better sound (imo) than the VF Vegas, which sound "thin" to me, i.e. all articulation, little tone.
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#171567 - 09/18/08 04:43 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: DRUMS11]
Aaronicus Offline


Registered: 08/31/07
Loc: ...
Our school uses the MT1A's and i always liked them. then i recently started using the Tom Aungst Hybrids, and i really like them. My only quam and this is because of the switch from the MT1A's, but i end hitting rim shots that i don't mean to. I assume that this is because of the larger cookie on the MT1A. But i do really, really want to try the vega's (but no one sells them here, and shipping is the price of the stick). But yeah the hybrids are a real nice pair of sticks.
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#171630 - 09/20/08 08:40 AM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: Aaronicus]
gniknus11 Offline


Registered: 09/23/07
Loc: Beaver, Pennsylvania
our school uses these really crappy encore wooden sticks that are impossible to do clean scrapes with and because they have wooden heads we should be on a new pair but b/c we cant be spending money every 2 weeks (yess the heads turn square after 2 weeks of just playing on heads) we just have to deal with it. our sticks are basically shorter thicker version of the Ralph Hardimon tenor stick with a round head.
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#171925 - 09/27/08 07:33 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: gniknus11]
Manlaw Offline


Registered: 09/27/08
Loc: Michigan, USA
I use the aluminum mallet, while our other tenor uses Vegas. We've traded from time to time, and I've decided I like my mallets more, because they're shorter. The Vegas are light, but too long for my taste.
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#171962 - 09/28/08 09:34 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: Manlaw]
jofus Offline


Registered: 10/20/06
Loc: Florence, AL
So you use different mallets than the rest of the quad line?
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#171983 - 09/29/08 05:09 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: jofus]
Manlaw Offline


Registered: 09/27/08
Loc: Michigan, USA
Well, yeah. There are only two tenor, and last year they used the same mallets, but the quad now uses Vegas, but I didn't like the change, so I kept using the old mallets. He even tapes his differently.
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#171988 - 09/29/08 06:17 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: Manlaw]
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Registered: 01/03/08
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hmm.. i don't like that idea. ruinds in the uniformity part of being on the line IMO. in the stands perhaps not on the field though.

as i mentioned before me and my fellow tenor use the FT-1.

however, personally i like the FT- 1AH because you get the same rebound with a lighter stick. though the aluminum bending after a while is the only complaint i could have with it.

one of the snares brought his vegas. they're also a nice stick to use. also i've noticed snugglebunny of the other guys like to just use FS - 1s or FS - 2s.

personally i don't like them, and i'd still stick w/ the
FT - 1AH.
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#171989 - 09/29/08 06:18 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: Manlaw]
Beeds Offline


Registered: 09/20/08
Loc: Kansas
We use vegas as our sticks, and the MT1A mallets as our, well, mallets. I don't see how you think the vegas are "long." in relation to your mallets, i'm sure they are, but for a tenor stick, i find them a very comfortable length.

To find a medium, the cadets, i believe, to the Hannum tenor hybrid; one side mallet, other side stick. I have no idea the performance or specs of it, but you may want to at least check them out.

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#171997 - 09/29/08 07:36 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: Beeds]
bltsponge Offline


Registered: 06/30/08
Loc: Stamford, CT
Originally Posted By: Beeds
We use vegas as our sticks, and the MT1A mallets as our, well, mallets. I don't see how you think the vegas are "long." in relation to your mallets, i'm sure they are, but for a tenor stick, i find them a very comfortable length.

To find a medium, the cadets, i believe, to the Hannum tenor hybrid; one side mallet, other side stick. I have no idea the performance or specs of it, but you may want to at least check them out.


If you're using large block tenors, vegas won't feel too small. With small blocks, they might.

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#172007 - 09/29/08 09:14 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: Beeds]
9Volt Offline


Registered: 02/12/08
Loc: OH-IO
Originally Posted By: Beeds
We use vegas as our sticks, and the MT1A mallets as our, well, mallets. I don't see how you think the vegas are "long." in relation to your mallets, i'm sure they are, but for a tenor stick, i find them a very comfortable length.

To find a medium, the cadets, i believe, to the Hannum tenor hybrid; one side mallet, other side stick. I have no idea the performance or specs of it, but you may want to at least check them out.


Of trust me, they are long, the mallet is probably 2 inches shorter then the vega. 2 inches, no big deal, until you play on a small block set. I would love to try my vega's on a large block set though, just to see why everyone loves them so much, they make me want to cry when I play on a small block set.

And yea, the Aungst Hybrid is a pretty nice stick, its right in between the mallet and the vega, I know there are a lot of people on this forum that swear by the Aungst now, Im slowly coming out of my mallet cave to join them.
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#172013 - 09/29/08 10:07 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: 9Volt]
Beeds Offline


Registered: 09/20/08
Loc: Kansas
the aungst was what i meant in my last post, but you got the drift. Thinking about it, i actually do see how vegas feel long. i play on small block pearls, and sometimes i find the vegas creeping out of the playing areas, but other than that, i love them

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#172034 - 09/30/08 05:07 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: Beeds]
jofus Offline


Registered: 10/20/06
Loc: Florence, AL
I wouldn't call it one part mallet one part stick. It's more like a stick with a mallet head at the end and some tapers up the shaft. I think of the swizzles when one says "one part mallet one part stick"
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#172035 - 09/30/08 05:27 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: jofus]
Beeds Offline


Registered: 09/20/08
Loc: Kansas
alright good point. You marched cadets this year? how did you like those hybrids

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#172038 - 09/30/08 06:01 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: jofus]
9Volt Offline


Registered: 02/12/08
Loc: OH-IO
Originally Posted By: jofus
I wouldn't call it one part mallet one part stick. It's more like a stick with a mallet head at the end and some tapers up the shaft. I think of the swizzles when one says "one part mallet one part stick"


Lets just call it gods gift to mankind and be done with it.

I also do agree, original the Thom Hannum thing and one part mallet one part stick made me think you were talking about an old swizzle the cadets used or something. But I understood. I'm still trying to figure out why the aungst hybrid sounds like a stick instead of a mallet though.
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#172078 - 10/01/08 12:55 AM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: Beeds]
jofus Offline


Registered: 10/20/06
Loc: Florence, AL
Originally Posted By: Beeds
alright good point. You marched cadets this year? how did you like those hybrids


I love em. Great rebound, warm tone, great balance. I've played seasons using McNutts, Vegas, MT1As, MT4As, and the Hardimon Tenor mallets and these are by far the best ones I've used as of yet.
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#172144 - 10/02/08 04:49 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: jofus]
IPstixrawesume Offline


Registered: 01/13/08
Loc: Columbus, IN
IF talking just VF, I second jofus's answer. Though I haven't used as wide a range of sticks/mallets as he has, I'm quite close, and I actually would go as far as to say, out of the big three (Promark, IP, and VF) Aungst Hybris is probably the best tenor implement to use.

...I still favor IP products in general over anything else, however.
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#172158 - 10/02/08 11:12 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: IPstixrawesume]
Beeds Offline


Registered: 09/20/08
Loc: Kansas
God I want to say two years ago we used pro-mark tenor mallets, but my memory drifts. I've used MT1A and vegas, but i think i may have to see what the hybrid are all about

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#172986 - 10/22/08 10:50 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: gniknus11]
BHSQuint Offline


Registered: 08/09/08
Loc: PA, USA
Originally Posted By: gniknus11
our school uses these really crappy encore wooden sticks that are impossible to do clean scrapes with and because they have wooden heads we should be on a new pair but b/c we cant be spending money every 2 weeks (yess the heads turn square after 2 weeks of just playing on heads) we just have to deal with it. our sticks are basically shorter thicker version of the Ralph Hardimon tenor stick with a round head.


They barely last two weeks, if that. When you first have them, they aren't too bad for scrapes. It's when they first one or two chips get into them that the tips just feel like anvils.

And since I've been stuck with those and little spending money, I can choose either the Encore sticks of Vic Firth MT1As. I'd most likely go with Vic Firth even though I went through the MT1A's like candy.

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#173029 - 10/24/08 12:30 AM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: BHSQuint]
DRUMS11 Offline


Registered: 11/01/06
Loc: Columbus, Ohio
Originally Posted By: BHSQuint
Originally Posted By: gniknus11
our school uses these really crappy encore wooden sticks that are impossible to do clean scrapes with and because they have wooden heads we should be on a new pair but b/c we cant be spending money every 2 weeks (yess the heads turn square after 2 weeks of just playing on heads) we just have to deal with it. our sticks are basically shorter thicker version of the Ralph Hardimon tenor stick with a round head.


...
And since I've been stuck with those and little spending money, I can choose either the Encore sticks or Vic Firth MT1As. I'd most likely go with Vic Firth even though I went through the MT1A's like candy.


BHSQuint: If you're frequently killing aluminum shafted mallets you maaayyyy be playing too hard. Height = volume. Extra force is unnecessary.

Anyway, gniknus11, comparing tenor stick prices at Steve Weiss it looks like you can get the ProMark Stevens or Vega sticks for the same price as the Encore (8.95), the ProMark TS5 for less (6.75), and Inovative TS1 for 8.25 or TS2 for 10.50. VF Hybrids are 13.25. Of course, at your local shop the Encore junk may be 5 bucks. Still, for the about the same price (or less) *far* superior tenor sticks are available. If your BD is buying these, you may want to mention this. (Haven't I seen Encore sticks in department stores? That just can't be a good sign for a musical instrument product.) Apparently Encore should stick with keyboard mallets, etc. or rethink their stab at marching equipment. (To be fair, their bass mallets seem to be OK.)

I do wish BDs would stop trying to save money with cheap sticks -- I remember in my sophomore year our BD got the snares cheap-o generic sticks (the school bought you the first pair, you replaced them out of your own pocket the rest of the season) and by the end of the first football game they were down to *one* pair among the four of them, including extras the BD had brought. The next week they were given rather better name-brand sticks. Lesson learned: you can buy seconds and you can buy no-names but if you go bargain-basement you get what you pay for = crud. Also, if it's frequently found on sale 50% off (*cough* Encore *cough*) it's also probably crud.


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#173038 - 10/24/08 09:45 AM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: DRUMS11]
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On a side note, I've found that Encore makes some nice sounding marimba mallets, particularly of the unwound variety.

On topic, I hated the Aungst tenor mallet. Nothing personal Jofus. wink I just didn't like the feel and the stark similarity to the Vega. Maybe it was just a bad pair.

To the Beaver guys, sounds painful. At Slippery Rock University we got a deal with Innovative, so we're playing on new mallets sticks and swizzles, er... 'multis' - 'Swizzle' is a Vic term - every few weeks regardless of the condition the pair to be replaced are in.
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#173042 - 10/24/08 01:28 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: jacoismyhero]
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Sometimes a bad pair can ruin a stick for you. Were they marked as "heavies" on the sleeve?

I'm also looking forward to working with the promark tenor sticks this winter. I teach the quads at Bob Jones in WGI, and they just recently got a pretty good endorsement from Pro Mark. Never played with them before, so I'll write some reviews maybe in December when we start indoor.
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#173049 - 10/24/08 03:15 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: jofus]
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Yea BHS man, if your going through the mt1a (aluminum OR wood) fast somethings wrong. Aluminum *will* last longer, but the wood *usually* wouldn't break that fast.

I say thing with the * signs because that is the general term, Not always but usually. Well, I havnt really seen a woodstick outlast an alloy mallet. Although I'm sure there are cases.
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#173081 - 10/26/08 09:02 AM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: 9Volt]
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Jofus, if you're going to work with promark sticks, I would recommend TS7's (if you're choosing the sticks they use). They were the promark version if the Vegas until BD switched to promark. Our school uses those sticks, and they are the best product I've used from promark. I haven't tried the new System Blue sticks, though, so if you manage to get a pair, be sure to tell us how they are.
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#173181 - 10/28/08 11:57 AM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: jofus]
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Originally Posted By: jofus
Sometimes a bad pair can ruin a stick for you. Were they marked as "heavies" on the sleeve?


Nope, not heavies. Just what appeared to be their standard stick. It was fairly early after their release, but they were pretty "blah."
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#173196 - 10/28/08 08:16 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: jacoismyhero]
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I've never actually bought a pair. I'm sure VF sent us the cream of the crop all summer so I enjoyed every pair I got. We got a good shipment at UNA too, but we're also sponsored. I'll have to try a pair from a music shop and see what most everybody is really getting.
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#173199 - 10/28/08 08:43 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: jofus]
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Labelled heavies? What?
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#173224 - 10/29/08 01:04 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: 9Volt]
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Well upon looking at my stick sleeves I just came to realize the TH means tenor hybrid, not heavy. So I guess I don't know what I'm talking about haha.
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#173229 - 10/29/08 04:10 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: SkyDog]
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Loc: West Virginia
I like vegas but my favorite stick to use is Ralph Hardimon tenor sticks. They bring out more sound and I think they are easier to use to do scrapes with. I guess it's want your show is and what sound you want out of your tenors.
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#173249 - 10/29/08 08:09 PM Re: Choice of tenor sticks? [Re: DRUMS11]
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Loc: PA, USA
Originally Posted By: DRUMS11
Originally Posted By: BHSQuint
Originally Posted By: gniknus11
our school uses these really crappy encore wooden sticks that are impossible to do clean scrapes with and because they have wooden heads we should be on a new pair but b/c we cant be spending money every 2 weeks (yess the heads turn square after 2 weeks of just playing on heads) we just have to deal with it. our sticks are basically shorter thicker version of the Ralph Hardimon tenor stick with a round head.


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And since I've been stuck with those and little spending money, I can choose either the Encore sticks or Vic Firth MT1As. I'd most likely go with Vic Firth even though I went through the MT1A's like candy.


BHSQuint: If you're frequently killing aluminum shafted mallets you maaayyyy be playing too hard. Height = volume. Extra force is unnecessary.

Anyway, gniknus11, comparing tenor stick prices at Steve Weiss it looks like you can get the ProMark Stevens or Vega sticks for the same price as the Encore (8.95), the ProMark TS5 for less (6.75), and Inovative TS1 for 8.25 or TS2 for 10.50. VF Hybrids are 13.25. Of course, at your local shop the Encore junk may be 5 bucks. Still, for the about the same price (or less) *far* superior tenor sticks are available. If your BD is buying these, you may want to mention this. (Haven't I seen Encore sticks in department stores? That just can't be a good sign for a musical instrument product.) Apparently Encore should stick with keyboard mallets, etc. or rethink their stab at marching equipment. (To be fair, their bass mallets seem to be OK.)

I do wish BDs would stop trying to save money with cheap sticks -- I remember in my sophomore year our BD got the snares cheap-o generic sticks (the school bought you the first pair, you replaced them out of your own pocket the rest of the season) and by the end of the first football game they were down to *one* pair among the four of them, including extras the BD had brought. The next week they were given rather better name-brand sticks. Lesson learned: you can buy seconds and you can buy no-names but if you go bargain-basement you get what you pay for = crud. Also, if it's frequently found on sale 50% off (*cough* Encore *cough*) it's also probably crud.


I was playing just a little too hard back then.

I don't think I broke an Encore stick all season though. They just get chewed up way to fast for comfort though.

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#173275 - 10/30/08 06:13 PM