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#167791 - 07/15/08 08:34 PM discouragement
Jammin_n_Flammin Offline


Registered: 07/08/08
Loc: Madison, Alabama
I am a tenor player most of the time because sometimes we do switch around on different drums. However, whenever i see a video of a DCI corps or something like that I can hardly ever hear the tenors and it's always the snares and the basses that stand out. Same thing with whenever I see a show live. This always makes me want to not play tenors and play something where people will actuall be able to hear and appreciate what I practiced countless hours on. It seems to me that no one ever cares about the tenor players (besides the other tenor players). I was just looking to see if anyone could cheer me up and possibly tell me what worth tenor players are to a line.

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#167800 - 07/15/08 09:48 PM Re: discouragement [Re: Jammin_n_Flammin]
A7xDrummer27 Offline


Registered: 06/19/08
Loc: Connecticut
umm i dont know where your from...but basically around here (south west ct) all anyone cares abou is the tenors (and snares but that cuz there well...snares). If you think your not being head use heaver mallets and increase your heights
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#167806 - 07/15/08 11:04 PM Re: discouragement [Re: A7xDrummer27]
9Volt Offline


Registered: 02/12/08
Originally Posted By: A7xDrummer27
umm i dont know where your from...but basically around here (south west ct) all anyone cares abou is the tenors (and snares but that cuz there well...snares). If you think your not being head use heaver mallets and increase your heights


Thats because your from the north along with me, I've realised, In highschool, In the north, the big hype is on the tenors, In the south, It's about the snare.

But the tenors job is to not be heard, they just add an extra dimension to the music by playing the tenor voice, adding dimension to the snare voice. Its the nice blending voice, between the soprano (snare) voice and the bass voice.

And if you take a step back, do you really even hear the snares and basses that much? Sure, you do, but the job of the battery is to get up and underneith the band.

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#167808 - 07/15/08 11:32 PM Re: discouragement [Re: 9Volt]
Creekynoise Offline


Registered: 06/21/07
Loc: Here
Its really not hearing the tenors, or the snares, or the basses, its about hearing the drumline as a whole. Each instrument has its own purpose, and in the music they serve their purpose, yeah I live in the south so the snare is like "ooh ahhh niice" but I love playing the tenors..sure the mediocre football crowd might not be able to tell, but it comes down to the competitions where judges hear the whole line togethor instead of a particular instrument..believe me judges hate it when an instrument sticks out..thats the difference between a Superior and an Excellent.
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#167810 - 07/15/08 11:40 PM Re: discouragement [Re: Creekynoise]
scchsdrummer Offline
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Registered: 01/03/08
Loc: Odenville, Alabama USA
well spoken. and honestly in really decent lines even the cymbals can have an effect.
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#167813 - 07/16/08 12:57 AM Re: discouragement [Re: 9Volt]
SkyDog Offline


Registered: 12/29/05
Originally Posted By: 9Volt
But the tenors job is to not be heard, they just add an extra dimension to the music by playing the tenor voice, adding dimension to the snare voice.


Sorry, but I wasn't hauling those heavy-*** drums around the field just to play second fiddle to the snare line. And I can hear the tenor voice just fine, thank you very much. wink

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#167814 - 07/16/08 02:10 AM Re: discouragement [Re: SkyDog]
9Volt Offline


Registered: 02/12/08
And that is the worst part about tenors, definatly. I was always taught, as the tenor players job, you don't stick out, you don't lead the battery, you play just under the snares and blend everything in the line.

I'm not saying the tenors are an accesory,(sp sorry) Everyone in the battery is imporant, But if you take the absolute neccisary parts, bass and snare are it. I'm not saying the tenors are un-imporant, I'm just saying (from what I've been taught) they are the blending voice, and the new dimension to the line, not the stand out part.


Edited by 9Volt (07/16/08 02:19 AM)

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#167819 - 07/16/08 02:51 AM Re: discouragement [Re: 9Volt]
PenniesForSale Offline


Registered: 06/11/08
Loc: Nevada
It's like being a piccolo player in a band. What you do rarely stands out to the audience, next to all the brass and percussion, but does that make the piccolo any less important an instrument? No; the piccolo is still a part of the ensemble, and even gets its chance to shine once in a while.

Just remember that there aren't too many people willing to put up with you have to do as a tenor player. While you may not get so much recognition as the rest of the drumline, take pride in what you do and most of all enjoy it.
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#167823 - 07/16/08 07:23 AM Re: discouragement [Re: PenniesForSale]
dredpir8roberts Offline


Registered: 10/23/07
Don't ever compare tenors to piccolo again! Go watch any DCI show and tell me you don't hear the tenor line. You may not hear them 100% of the time, but you don't hear everything that any instrument plays. Every instrument has times they play a supporting role and times they play a leading role. Tenors sound awesome the times that they stick out enough to be heard, and the times when they just sort of blend in, like you said, people who like tenors will be watching.

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#167824 - 07/16/08 07:58 AM Re: discouragement [Re: dredpir8roberts]
snarepaint Offline


Registered: 06/13/03
Quads= piccolos...good luck escaping that statement with your life.

Not sure who's listening to what, but if a section is getting lost in the ensemble for an entire show it's usually the result of bad arranging or an arranger hiding a quad section with less than ideal playing ability.

Especially at the HS level, you'll find a lot of teams have a quad book that is simply the snare chart split up over 5-6 drums. So considering that there are usually 2 snares for every quad player and the sound cuts twice as much, you're not going to hear everything they throw down.
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#167829 - 07/16/08 09:54 AM Re: discouragement [Re: snarepaint]
SkyDog Offline


Registered: 12/29/05
Originally Posted By: snarepaint
...if a section is getting lost in the ensemble for an entire show it's usually the result of bad arranging or an arranger hiding a quad section with less than ideal playing ability.


...which explains 9Volt's take on the tenor voice. It sounds like his instructor might have been coaching a less-experienced tenor line, hence the "play under the snares" mentality.

But if you've got any talent in the tenor line, it can be used for a whole lot more than adding depth to the snare voice.

Originally Posted By: dredpir8roberts
Every instrument has times they play a supporting role and times they play a leading role.


EXACTLY. Including tenors.

Originally Posted By: PenniesForSale
It's like being a piccolo player in a band. What you do rarely stands out to the audience...


How can a piccolo, being as obnoxiously shrill as it is, not stand out to the audience? wink

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#167837 - 07/16/08 12:41 PM Re: discouragement [Re: SkyDog]
Jammin_n_Flammin Offline


Registered: 07/08/08
Loc: Madison, Alabama
Also at my school, everyone thinks the snares are so bad*** and the basses a little and when someone says , "What about the tenors"? usually they will say , "What are tenors, are they the things with a couple of drums"? Half the time they don't have a clue what your talking about.

Thats the kind of thing that always put me down about playing tenors. No one knows what the heck you are and no one really cares about you.

I do understand about what all you guys are saying though, thanks for the input.

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#167838 - 07/16/08 01:00 PM Re: discouragement [Re: Jammin_n_Flammin]
dredpir8roberts Offline


Registered: 10/23/07
Don't let a bunch of uninformed high school kids get you down. If you're lucky enough to end up playing tenors in college or corps some day, you'll learn what all the hype is about.

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#167840 - 07/16/08 01:44 PM Re: discouragement [Re: snarepaint]
PenniesForSale Offline


Registered: 06/11/08
Loc: Nevada
Originally Posted By: snarepaint
Quads= piccolos...good luck escaping that statement with your life.


Sorry... maybe not the best comparison blush
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#167845 - 07/16/08 02:37 PM Re: discouragement [Re: PenniesForSale]
9Volt Offline


Registered: 02/12/08
Alright, So, Now I want to know, how exactly should the tenor player be playing? Even with the snares then?

As for the piccolo being tenors, No way. The piccolo is obnoxiously: small, loud, screechy. You hear that thing through-out the entire show.

And if people don't understand what you mean by tenors, try saying quads. Alabama has a LOT of show style bands, Show style is huge in the south, Most show bands don't know tenors by the name of tenors, they know them by quads. And I will stick to what I was saying earlier, In the south, the snare is where it's at. If you came up north you will see the opposite, tenors have all the hype.

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#167846 - 07/16/08 02:56 PM Re: discouragement [Re: 9Volt]
SkyDog Offline


Registered: 12/29/05
Originally Posted By: 9Volt
Alright, So, Now I want to know, how exactly should the tenor player be playing? Even with the snares then?


Balance from section to section will vary depending on what the arranger has in mind. Sometimes the snares will be the lead voice, sometimes the tenors will be, sometimes they'll share the lead, and sometimes neither are part of the lead.

It's similar to the arrangements for the rest of the band or corps. Sometimes the trumpets will have the melody, sometimes they won't. Whoever has the melodic line generally plays out while other voices are supportive.

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#167847 - 07/16/08 03:11 PM Re: discouragement [Re: SkyDog]
MCPWayne2005 Offline


Registered: 08/29/04
Loc: michigan
I'm from the north and there are a lot of talented drumlines in the Michigan area, and in all of those drumlines, everything is about blend. If you can't here a voice it's because someone is over/underplaying the dynamics.

In my experience a lot of snare lines at the high school level beat the living crap out of there drums ie. over playing, while tenor players do not.

I don't necessarily agree with the "Tenors are all the hype" Maybe amongst people who don't know, and haven't been involved with drumline, but in all of my experience snare bass or tenor every instrument is appreciated for what it contributes to the line as a whole. Sure they all sound decent alone but when you hear a full batterie ensemble....Sorry I need to go change my pants....

Either way you shouldn't be able to pick one instrument of the drumline (or band for that matter) out above the rest everything should blend that's what it's all about.
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#167857 - 07/16/08 07:43 PM Re: discouragement [Re: snarepaint]
Aaronicus Offline


Registered: 08/31/07
Loc: ...
any DCI video i've ever watched of a drumline, you can always hear the tenors. Yes your not going to hear the tenors all the time but like it has been said it is another dimension of the music. If you really wanted to you could compare tenors to an electric bass in a rock band. They almost never stand out, but you take them away and you definitely realize something is missing. Oh and i live in new hampshire, pretty far north and tenors are definitely not all the hype. Snares still steal the spotlight and everyone still thinks they're better than us.


Edited by Aaronicus (07/16/08 07:45 PM)
Edit Reason: Adding info
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#168316 - 07/27/08 12:41 AM Re: discouragement [Re: snarepaint]
ace1112 Offline


Registered: 03/04/08
Loc: florida
hey dont feel bad on my line i am a tenor and i basicaly lead all the other freshmen
and im atenor and im in florida

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#168786 - 08/05/08 02:02 AM Re: discouragement [Re: snarepaint]
xp4nd00bi3x Offline
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Registered: 08/13/07
Loc: TX
i personally think its more about how you like the sound. if you play in front of a crowd, they will hear you.

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