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#165990 - 06/23/08 07:48 PM
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How do you take the snares off a marching snare??
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#166001 - 06/23/08 08:09 PM
Re: Snares????
[Re: Slater]
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Registered: 06/23/08
Loc: CA
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Um... Well, why don't you say what kind of marching snare it is? They're all a little different, but for the most part, you drop the snares down off the bottom head with the handle and then turn the knobs until the snares are unattached.
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#166020 - 06/23/08 09:51 PM
Re: Snares????
[Re: susnare35]
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Registered: 02/12/08
Loc: OH-IO
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Im guessing your going to attempt to make some type of tenor drum? Other then that, There would be no point in it, but anyway.
Taking it off, If you are making a tenor drum, you might want an original style shell, so everything is put on the drum, not a free floater drum. But anywho...
Get a screw driver, and take all the tension off each individual snare, and then take off the bottom head, from the bottom head you can get a screwdriver and get into the actual drum, in which case you cna unscrew everything and, presto, no more snares or snare system.
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My favorite YouTube comment On the subject of a bad tenor player just to let you guys know, being a drummer, he meant to hit the rims, it's part of the effect. It changes it up a bit.
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#166028 - 06/23/08 11:01 PM
Re: Snares????
[Re: SkyhawkDrummer]
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Registered: 02/12/08
Loc: OH-IO
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Cant you just retune the drum without taking off the snares?
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My favorite YouTube comment On the subject of a bad tenor player just to let you guys know, being a drummer, he meant to hit the rims, it's part of the effect. It changes it up a bit.
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#166048 - 06/24/08 02:32 AM
Re: Snares????
[Re: 9Volt]
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Registered: 12/29/05
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One common reason to remove the guts: replacing the bottom head. On the vast majority of modern marching snare drums, you'll find three adjustment knobs for the guts: a vertical adjustment knob on top of each end of the strainer and a horizontal tension adjustment knob. To remove the snares, unscrew the tension adjustment. If you keep turning, it'll eventually release the guts, which you can slide out. You DO NOT have to unscrew each individual strand. Here's a video that shows how to do it.
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#166052 - 06/24/08 08:01 AM
Re: Snares????
[Re: SkyDog]
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Registered: 08/29/04
Loc: michigan
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One common reason to remove the guts: replacing the bottom head. On the vast majority of modern marching snare drums, you'll find three adjustment knobs for the guts: a vertical adjustment knob on top of each end of the strainer and a horizontal tension adjustment knob. To remove the snares, unscrew the tension adjustment. If you keep turning, it'll eventually release the guts, which you can slide out. You DO NOT have to unscrew each individual strand. Here's a video that shows how to do it. Exactly what Skydog said. Most likely he would be changing the head. Definitely don't un screw each strand individually I have seen someone mess with those and there snare never sounded the same again.
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#166089 - 06/24/08 02:48 PM
Re: Snares????
[Re: MCPWayne2005]
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Yes it is to change the bottom head.... and its a Yamaha sfz
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#166096 - 06/24/08 04:17 PM
Re: Snares????
[Re: Slater]
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Registered: 08/29/04
Loc: michigan
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Real easy, I have an SFZ. On the left side of the drum when your wearing it, there is a screw on the bracket with the throw off. Basically you un-screw that sucker until it comes out then pull the snares off through the other bracket.
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#166098 - 06/24/08 04:33 PM
Re: Snares????
[Re: MCPWayne2005]
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ok thanks
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#166123 - 06/24/08 10:20 PM
Re: Snares????
[Re: SkyhawkDrummer]
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Registered: 02/12/08
Loc: OH-IO
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Oh really? Ive figured if you take down each snares tension, well one, (in theory) if you snag the gut there is a little more room for you to breath before snapping it. Also just so it's further away from the reso head.
But goodluck with that sFz after you fix everything, I can't stand attempting to tune those drums.
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My favorite YouTube comment On the subject of a bad tenor player just to let you guys know, being a drummer, he meant to hit the rims, it's part of the effect. It changes it up a bit.
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#166170 - 06/25/08 08:02 AM
Re: Snares????
[Re: 9Volt]
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Registered: 08/29/04
Loc: michigan
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But goodluck with that sFz after you fix everything, I can't stand attempting to tune those drums.
Really? whats your beef with the SFZs
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#166175 - 06/25/08 09:32 AM
Re: Snares????
[Re: MCPWayne2005]
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Registered: 12/29/05
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The SFZ isn't significantly different than just about any other snare drum when it comes to tuning: - Tune the top head.
- Tune the bottom head.
- Tune the individual snare guts.
- Adjust the tension on the snares.
- Adjust the height of the snare strainer.
- (Optional) Tape snares to adjust snare response and/or muffle bottom head to taste.
No matter what someone's done to the drum (like improperly tweaking individual snare guts as mentioned above), if you have the patience to properly address everything in this list, the drum will sound fine.
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#166179 - 06/25/08 11:02 AM
Re: Snares????
[Re: SkyDog]
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how tight do you put the bottom head?
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#166182 - 06/25/08 11:48 AM
Re: Snares????
[Re: Slater]
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Registered: 12/29/05
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how tight do you put the bottom head? It depends on a whole lot of stuff... What kind of head? Kevlar or aramid fiber heads like the Remo FaLam or Evans MX5 are going to be tuned higher than a Mylar head. Those heads are designed for higher tensions than Mylar can handle. To give you at least one specific answer, Bret Kuhn answered some questions on Remo's web site when he was with the Cavaliers. He mentioned their Remo Marching Ambassador (Mylar) heads were tuned to a D and their White Max batter heads were tuned to A. And the reason I mentioned the top head leads us to the next point... How is your top head tuned? The pitch interval between the top head and bottom head has a pretty big effect on a drum's sound. For a really obvious example, check out the toms on a drum set. The same effects apply to a marching snare, although they're far less obvious because of the drum's tight staccato sound. I seem to recall Kevin Namaky (formerly of the Glassmen & Pearl) mentioning his preferred tuning was to go to a medium tension on the top head and tune the bottom a half-step higher. What size drum? 13" drums will naturally have a higher pitch than 14" drums when the heads are tuned to a similar tension/feel. Personal preference. Some people like 'em higher, some people like 'em lower. Some like their snare sound wet, others dry. The variables are pretty much infinite and there really isn't a right or wrong answer.
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#166185 - 06/25/08 12:06 PM
Re: Snares????
[Re: SkyDog]
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Head: I have a White Max batter head, and a Falam II resonator head.
Top head: I am going to tune it tight, but is there a certain like note i should tune it to?
Size: I have a 14"
Preference: I like the high pitched sound.
Edited by Slater (06/25/08 12:06 PM)
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#166191 - 06/25/08 12:33 PM
Re: Snares????
[Re: SkyDog]
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Registered: 08/29/04
Loc: michigan
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how tight do you put ]the bottom head? It depends on a whole lot of stuff... What kind of head? Kevlar or aramid fiber heads like the Remo FaLam or Evans MX5 are going to be tuned higher than a Mylar head. Those heads are designed for higher tensions than Mylar can handle. To give you at least one specific answer, Bret Kuhn answered some questions on Remo's web site when he was with the Cavaliers. He mentioned their Remo Marching Ambassador (Mylar) heads were tuned to a D and their White Max batter heads were tuned to A. And the reason I mentioned the top head leads us to the next point... How is your top head tuned? The pitch interval between the top head and bottom head has a pretty big effect on a drum's sound. For a really obvious example, check out the toms on a drum set. The same effects apply to a marching snare, although they're far less obvious because of the drum's tight staccato sound. I seem to recall Kevin Namaky (formerly of the Glassmen & Pearl) mentioning his preferred tuning was to go to a medium tension on the top head and tune the bottom a half-step higher. What size drum? 13" drums will naturally have a higher pitch than 14" drums when the heads are tuned to a similar tension/feel. Personal preference. Some people like 'em higher, some people like 'em lower. Some like their snare sound wet, others dry. The variables are pretty much infinite and there really isn't a right or wrong answer. To sum up what sky dog said... Tune it to whatever you think sounds good. Tight and loose will give you a whole lot of different combinations of sound. play around with it until you got it sounding how you like. The SFZ isn't significantly different than just about any other snare drum when it comes to tuning:
* Tune the top head.
* Tune the bottom head.
* Tune the individual snare guts.
* Adjust the tension on the snares.
* Adjust the height of the snare strainer.
* (Optional) Tape snares to adjust snare response and/or muffle bottom head to taste I have never had a problem tuning my SFZ. Are you telling me Dynasty and Pearl and other snare manufacturers for that matter do not adjust the tension of the snares or the height of the strainer?
Edited by MCPWayne2005 (06/25/08 12:37 PM)
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#166297 - 06/26/08 01:19 AM
Re: Snares????
[Re: MCPWayne2005]
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Registered: 02/12/08
Loc: OH-IO
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But goodluck with that sFz after you fix everything, I can't stand attempting to tune those drums.
Really? whats your beef with the SFZs I just can't stand them. It may just be that I'm not on tour, So I'm not constantly tuning. But I've attempted to sit down with these drums multiple times, And I can not get one sound from the line. I can get the drums close, but not close enough. Could just be my inexperience with tuning constantly though. Which means I'm just yelling at the sFz because it's there.
Edited by 9Volt (06/26/08 01:22 AM)
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#166305 - 06/26/08 08:32 AM
Re: Snares????
[Re: 9Volt]
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Registered: 08/29/04
Loc: michigan
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Yeah we have had some problems in lines I have been in getting them dead on with each other before. It does take some time but once they're on... man they sound nice
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#166388 - 06/26/08 10:42 PM
Re: Snares????
[Re: MCPWayne2005]
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Registered: 02/12/08
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I will have have to agree with you there, When I came up, we had one drum that somehow ended up in tune, nobody knows who tuned it but we just kind of have it. It's basically heaven on earth.
Edited by 9Volt (06/26/08 10:43 PM)
Edit Reason: My fingers were on the wrong keys
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#166397 - 06/27/08 08:12 AM
Re: Snares????
[Re: 9Volt]
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Registered: 06/13/03
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The only bad experience I've had with SFZ's outside of my preference for Pearl is that the butt end of the strainer always seemed to work it's way down off the bottom head, but not during rehearsal. It would always happen after the drums weren't in use. The kids used to say that the Yamaha monster would come around and do it. Not something awful to deal with, but along with tuning, I didn't appreciate the extra work in the lot.
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#167394 - 07/10/08 10:01 AM
Re: Snares????
[Re: PolyesterHemiola]
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Registered: 10/23/07
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For that tuning scheme I'm pretty sure that the bottom is the higher pitch. really? A to D is a 4th, Blue Devils tuned their snare side head a minor third higher than the batter head in 2002, and the result can be seen here: DCI 2002 I really doubt anyone's tuning the bottom head a full 4th higher than the batter head, but maybe I'm wrong?
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