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#163865 - 05/31/08 09:07 PM
They're My Drums!!
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Registered: 08/31/07
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Does anyone have an issue where freshman (and other grade levels) play your marching instruments without asking? I know this is a large problem at our school. I feel like the drums are my responsibility and I should be the only one playing them, unless i give permission. It is annoying when I come to band class and my drum isn't on the harness, its lying on the floor wrong, multiple times stupid freshman don't know how to put the quints down with sticks in the stickbag and they have broken my stick bag. They have also broken my mallets, head, and thrown my sticks anywhere in the band room. Do your schools let people play drums that arent theirs? its an especially big problem because its tryouts now. Everyone's trying to learn a new instrument.
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Londonderry High School Marching Band: - Bass 2 | 2006-2007 | "Movie Extravaganza"
- Quints | 2007-2008 | "Music of America"
- Quints | 2008-2009 | "Tommy"
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#163868 - 05/31/08 09:20 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: Aaronicus]
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Registered: 06/21/07
Loc: Here
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Im sure its a problem everywhere. I can have that problem sometimes..buts its not too big of an issue. I think what you should do is be in charge of your particular instrument..like your quint..your in charge of that..and everyone on the line is in charge of their own instrument, thats how our line is. If someone tries to play your instrument without permission, than I think it would be fair to yell at them. Its just like someone picking up someone elses trumpet and playing with it, I think it should apply the same to percussion (with the exception of concert band percussion, and even that should only be touched by percussionists). You have every right to yell at people that use your Quints without permission. You should contact your drum captain (or if your the drum captain) and get a chat with the line about how they need to take care of their own drum and only be allowed to play their own drum unless permission is given. If their not doing it..than it becomes an entire band issue. You will have to discuss the problem with your band director as well as band leadership, and possibly get the BD/Leadership to have a chat with the entire band, on the seriousness of this issue and lay down some consequences.
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#163875 - 05/31/08 10:24 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: Creekynoise]
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Registered: 09/26/07
Loc: Rammer Jammer Alabamer
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Last season we had a problem with our ENTIRE percussion with exception of center snare and bottom bass, offering to caryy someone else's instrument if the carry their drum(s) from the practice field after practice. One day, the entire band got yelled at, and I don't blame by the BD, even though I did carry the top bass one time (a couple weeks before)
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#163877 - 05/31/08 10:40 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: JacketTenor3]
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Registered: 01/27/06
Loc: Springfield Oregon, USA
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Im sure its a problem everywhere I agree with this. It's definitely been a problem at my school in the past. It's mainly the kids in concert band percussion. They like to take the sticks from our bags and use them, then leave them laying around the band room or in other stick bags on different instruments. I got sick of it after a while and started taking my sticks home. I understand if they want to play their warm ups on our drums, but I hate it when the kids mindlessly beat on our drums and bang up our sticks. EDIT: Also the bass drummers. Anytime they get a chance they run over to the upper-battery instruments and start banging away. They're not any better than the concert band kids. -_- It's not so much of a problem now since percussion has been over for a full trimester and the drums have been put away/borrowed. But I am expecting it to happen once the marching season starts back up again. Off topic: For those of you who are wondering - yes, I did say trimester. It's the system my school is using. Unlike semesters, we divide the year into 3 instead of 2. I think it's better this way.
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Thurston High School 05-06: Bass 2 06-07: Tenors/Bass3 07-08: Snare 08-09: Snare - Section leader Corps 09: Snare Auditionee at Oregon Crusaders
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#163904 - 06/01/08 02:56 AM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: Mike_L]
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Loc: Clayton, NC
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You say basses try to play the "upper-battery" instruments as if one section is more important or better than another. =[ I'm a snare drummer, but I do respect everyone's position as much as my own. Without a good bass line, the ensemble sounds wrong, in my opinion. Same goes for any other section.
BUT, on topic, yes that truly is a problem everywhere. We used to have this problem big time at my school until I decided to take charge. The best solution to this is to take charge and ask them to stop nicely, and if they don't stop, consult your director/instructor and ask them to do something about it. As far as them messing with your sticks, keep them with you all the time. I never leave mine in my stick bag if I'm not standing behind the drum. People in our band like to snatch them up and never return them ever again.
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#163905 - 06/01/08 04:53 AM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: SnareEffect89]
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Registered: 01/27/06
Loc: Springfield Oregon, USA
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You say basses try to play the "upper-battery" instruments as if one section is more important or better than another. That is not what I intended. That's how you interpreted what I said. At my school we use the term "low battery" and "high/upper battery" to refer to the pitches of the drums. It might sound like a strange idea to you, but it's how we do it at my school. I believe every section is as important as the next. Anyway, the point is it's not their instrument.
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Thurston High School 05-06: Bass 2 06-07: Tenors/Bass3 07-08: Snare 08-09: Snare - Section leader Corps 09: Snare Auditionee at Oregon Crusaders
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#163971 - 06/01/08 08:22 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: Mike_L]
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Registered: 04/24/08
Loc: Florida
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i agree, at my school it is a big problem, 7th period is drumline/color guard class and all 6 periods before are either jazz band or concert band. so by the time i get there at the end of the day the marching equiptment is all around the band room and then the BD yells at us for not taking care of our equiptment. What we did was putting signs on the drums saying dont touch our drums. supprisingly it works and i always keep my sticks with me because you cant get those back if they've been stolen.
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There is nothing more amazing then 9 guys playing 1 thing and marching around while having the sound of one loud drum.  07-08-Pit(bass&gong) [Into A Dream] 08-09-Snare [Iron Man(invincible)]
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#164043 - 06/02/08 10:29 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: dDrRaGeX]
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Registered: 09/26/07
Loc: Rammer Jammer Alabamer
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lol... one time, at band practice, I was trying to show the top bass something and he got mad. It made me even more mad. Just trying to help. (He kept missing entrances and was kepping time, counting, nothing, and the center snare was trying to tell him, and he walked off, so i tried to tell him.
that counts as me trying to use someone else's drum, but for educational purpose... lol
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#169845 - 08/17/08 02:40 AM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: JacketTenor3]
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Loc: TX
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It's a huge problem at my school, especially with the non-percussion freshmen. Even though the line yells at 'em and the band director yells at 'em, they still do it. We lost so many pairs of sticks last year because the freshmen thought it'd be fun to throw them around. It's ridiculous.
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#169865 - 08/17/08 01:59 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: xp4nd00bi3x]
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Registered: 08/04/08
Loc: Walton, KY
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I have to say, its not as big of a problem as it used to be at my school. More often than not we have a problem with 8th grade wind players putting they're little hands all over our concert percussion instruments or drum set. They hardly ever would pick up a marching instrument or stick that wasn't laying out.
Edited by bryaxxe1 (08/17/08 02:00 PM)
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#169873 - 08/17/08 04:22 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: bryaxxe1]
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Registered: 08/07/08
Loc: Florida, USA
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This problem has to be as old as, well me, and that's pretty darn old. Here's how we handled the situation at my school. We had talks with the line, director, section leaders, entire band and even the kids in the concert,jazz and beginning classes. This helped some but the problem still persisted, especially with sticks going missing. We purchased a file cabinet and locked all our sticks and mallets up everyday. Only the director and section leader had keys. The next issue we faced was having the beginning band kids hitting bass drums with their 5As and leaving nice little dents in the heads. One of our parents built us a really nice cabinet to store all our drums and carriers (which they eventually expanded to hold horns and guard equipment as well). Once the drums were "out of site, out of mind" the problems were few and far between.
Lock up all sticks and mallets and store drums and carriers in an out of the way place if possible. The curious will, of course, find a way but this will limit their ability to mess up your gear.
Personally I always kept all my sticks and mallets in my stick-bag which was either locked in my locker or (usually) in my backpack.
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#169884 - 08/17/08 08:16 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: bizob]
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Loc: Odenville, Alabama USA
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we don't have a problem with other percussionists playing on another's. we encourage it. it's good to stay familiar with the drums you're not marching. actually last year a lot of times we would swap drums in the stands during 4th quarter. however if they mistreat the drum and damage it, don't put it back, etc then thats when the problem comes in. Lock up all sticks and mallets and store drums and carriers in an out of the way place if possible. The curious will, of course, find a way but this will limit their ability to mess up your gear.
i would suggest this. we have a completely seperate room down the hall where all of our guard equipment and marching drums are stored.
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Sophmore '08 - '09 Tenors Pirates of the Caribbean The Curse of the Black Pearl
Freshman '07 - '08 Bass 4 (bottom) The Sound of Patriotism
8th Grade '06 - '07 Cymbals Earth Wind & Fire
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#170000 - 08/19/08 09:36 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: scchsdrummer]
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Registered: 07/25/08
Loc: Texas
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I am picky about people carrying "my" drum (or anyone else's) when they are either careless or clueless. If you don't carry a drum the right way or don't set it down the right way, you will damage the drum.
I am fine with people playing on different people's drums as long as they are practicing as opposed to goofing around. Practicing helps individuals to be better equipped to play that instrument should they choose to march it in the future, which helps our line as a whole. Also, there is a difference between goofing around and playing something for fun. If you are learning say an incredible tenor break for no reason but to have fun, fine; fun is the only reason any of us drum. However, if you just want to beat on a drum you can go blow the cash to get your own and destroy it, but when you didn't pay for the drum (an organization or other individual did) you have no right to damage their property by being careless or outright dumb.
Non-percussionists have no place touching a drum under any circumstances, I wouldn't play anyone's trumpet (much less damage it) so why should they play our drums.
Education and fun are OK, but when you cross into "stupid" territory, I draw the line. Examples of "stupid territory" include beating on drums in a non-rhythmic fashion, plucking snare strainers, running by and smacking a drum (as hard as possible) with your hand, stealing/ throwing other's sticks, and dropping drums (and I've seen all of these as I'm sure many of you have by percussionists as well as wind players).
My only advice: keep your sticks safe (locker, bag, backpack, etc.), talk to people who violate your personal rules regarding drums, don't set a bad example, getting your line on the same page is the only way to get the pit (where many of our issues come from) to stop violating boundaries, which is the only way to get non-percussionists to respect boundaries.
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#170004 - 08/19/08 10:20 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: FlamFlam49]
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Registered: 06/19/08
Loc: Connecticut
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I am picky about people carrying "my" drum (or anyone else's) when they are either careless or clueless. If you don't carry a drum the right way or don't set it down the right way, you will damage the drum.
I am fine with people playing on different people's drums as long as they are practicing as opposed to goofing around. Practicing helps individuals to be better equipped to play that instrument should they choose to march it in the future, which helps our line as a whole. Also, there is a difference between goofing around and playing something for fun. If you are learning say an incredible tenor break for no reason but to have fun, fine; fun is the only reason any of us drum. However, if you just want to beat on a drum you can go blow the cash to get your own and destroy it, but when you didn't pay for the drum (an organization or other individual did) you have no right to damage their property by being careless or outright dumb.
Non-percussionists have no place touching a drum under any circumstances, I wouldn't play anyone's trumpet (much less damage it) so why should they play our drums.
Education and fun are OK, but when you cross into "stupid" territory, I draw the line. Examples of "stupid territory" include beating on drums in a non-rhythmic fashion, plucking snare strainers, running by and smacking a drum (as hard as possible) with your hand, stealing/ throwing other's sticks, and dropping drums (and I've seen all of these as I'm sure many of you have by percussionists as well as wind players).
My only advice: keep your sticks safe (locker, bag, backpack, etc.), talk to people who violate your personal rules regarding drums, don't set a bad example, getting your line on the same page is the only way to get the pit (where many of our issues come from) to stop violating boundaries, which is the only way to get non-percussionists to respect boundaries. i compleatly agree...nothing makes me more mad then when i walk into our drum room during a free period and see some wind player banging on my drum. i have no problem with the cymbals or basses (or tenors but they usually dont) touching my snare...even most of the pit is ok. but the wind players beat on our stuff when they think we're not around. ive even cought kids stealing our stick if we leave them in our stick bags.
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Trumbull Percussion 07 Contrast - Cymbal Line - WGI PSO Finalist 07 Continuum - Bass Line - MAC Outstanding Percussion 08 Science of Music - Bass Line - WGI PSO Silver Medalist 08 Firebird - Snare Line
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#170011 - 08/19/08 11:09 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: FlamFlam49]
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Registered: 12/29/05
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Non-percussionists have no place touching a drum under any circumstances, I wouldn't play anyone's trumpet (much less damage it) so why should they play our drums.[/b] Wellll... I tend to bend this rule just a little bit. I actually encourage non-percussionists to try playing a drum or a mallet keyboard so long as they do it responsibly. While they try it, I'll offer some pointers if I have a moment. The reason? I've recruited a bunch of players this way. In our winter line last year, we had: * A saxophone player on vibes * A trombone player on xylophone * A trumpet player on bells * A clarinet player on marimba * A viola player on marimba * A horn player on synth ...not to mention our top bass drummer, who had never even played an instrument before.
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#170113 - 08/21/08 03:17 AM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: jofus]
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Registered: 07/25/08
Loc: texas
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Drumline equipment isn't played by anyone who isn't on drumline at my school. Thats why we have a "Drumline Closet" for the equipment so that nobody can go in there and just randomly bang stuff.
However, the pit equipment does stay out in the band hall...and we use to have a problem with people playing the keyboard instruments (cause they no one little tune on it and they have to show the world),the cymbals (probably cause they've never heard a small china cymbal and like how it sounds...or wonder why its "broken"), and setting stuff like books on top of the timpanis.
But now, on top of the timpani covers we have little signs that say "I am not a table! I am a musical instrument! Don't put your stuff on me!"...and probably cause if our percussion director sees anything on top of it he'll just shove it off...throwing your papers into a mess on the floor.
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#170151 - 08/21/08 02:51 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: mrt_on_snare]
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Registered: 02/12/08
Loc: OH-IO
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Haha, My BD has that too. Our signs say "PUT THIS COVER BACK ON AFTER PLAYING! I AM NOT A TABLE!"
We used to have the problem, except, lucky for us, The winds didn't really care, it was more of the other percussionists. Most of the kids want/wanted to play tenors, so every chance they would get, I would find 3 bass drummers playing something simple and old (Ex. Brick house from the show a year before I was there) over and over again.
I just started yelling at people, and talking to the BD about it if he missed it. He already ripped people up when he caught them, if he didn't I would try and get his attention and let him rip them up.
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My favorite YouTube comment On the subject of a bad tenor player just to let you guys know, being a drummer, he meant to hit the rims, it's part of the effect. It changes it up a bit.
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#170255 - 08/22/08 10:51 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: 9Volt]
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Registered: 08/21/08
Loc: Texas
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What happened to me once was that i was a playing a pair of tenors, and a friend of mine (whose tenors i was borrowing) was teaching me some random around pattern.The seniors walked up, thought i was using the drums without permission, and proceeded to rip me a new one.Only later did they realize i had permission in the first place.
But yes at our school it is a very big deal.Wind players(especially brass...don't know why) hit our drums with their hands every chance they get.We have had multiple problems with pit instruments being used as table.I might start putting up signs.
Edited by Snare21 (08/22/08 10:52 PM)
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#170355 - 08/24/08 03:40 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: SkyDog]
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Registered: 07/25/08
Loc: Texas
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I actually encourage non-percussionists to try playing a drum or a mallet keyboard so long as they do it responsibly. While they try it, I'll offer some pointers if I have a moment.
The reason? I've recruited a bunch of players this way. In our winter line last year, we had:
* A saxophone player on vibes * A trombone player on xylophone * A trumpet player on bells * A clarinet player on marimba * A viola player on marimba * A horn player on synth
...not to mention our top bass drummer, who had never even played an instrument before. This is definitely a good idea as far as I'm concerned. If they are learning or are practicing, good for them and if they can play and are responsible, why not use them in your line or pit. My complaint is people doing stupid stuff for no reason. But learning usually ends up benefiting everyone.
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#170466 - 08/26/08 12:04 AM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: FlamFlam49]
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Registered: 07/25/08
Loc: texas
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I actually encourage non-percussionists to try playing a drum or a mallet keyboard so long as they do it responsibly. While they try it, I'll offer some pointers if I have a moment.
The reason? I've recruited a bunch of players this way. In our winter line last year, we had:
* A saxophone player on vibes * A trombone player on xylophone * A trumpet player on bells * A clarinet player on marimba * A viola player on marimba * A horn player on synth
...not to mention our top bass drummer, who had never even played an instrument before. This is definitely a good idea as far as I'm concerned. If they are learning or are practicing, good for them and if they can play and are responsible, why not use them in your line or pit. My complaint is people doing stupid stuff for no reason. But learning usually ends up benefiting everyone. we always use non-percussionist for our line this year its just three (top bass and two cymbals) but last year nobody on the bass line was a percussionist (but two had done it for two years) usually we can put non percussionists on bass line or cymbals but they usually stay off of snare or tenor
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#170647 - 08/30/08 02:05 AM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: xp4nd00bi3x]
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Registered: 06/30/08
Loc: Stamford, CT
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I usually take my mallets (tenor) out of the stick bag and throw them in my case if I'm going to be leaving the drum for any extended time. It's not too big of a problem at my school, but I'd just rather not come back to see 5 broken heads and a pair of splintered sticks.
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#170661 - 08/30/08 03:13 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: bltsponge]
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Registered: 08/30/08
Loc: Illinois
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Yeah I think it's a good idea to have non-percussionists learn. My percussion director made a Drumline-B for people who have never touched a drum in there lives so they could learn. It had a pretty good turn out last year 
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#170675 - 08/30/08 04:51 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: Mike_L]
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Registered: 08/30/08
Loc: Hershey PA
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do you know matt keown he is alan son who is best friends with matt savage, anyways i saw the seattle casades on your signature, and dude it sucks that they folded he matt keown made it and then they folded,
oh well
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#170703 - 08/30/08 08:33 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: stwsam2]
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Registered: 08/31/07
Loc: ...
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do you know matt keown he is alan son who is best friends with matt savage, anyways i saw the seattle casades on your signature, and dude it sucks that they folded he matt keown made it and then they folded,
oh well called a pm dude. On topic. It does sound like a good idea to encourage other non percussionists to learn. I would think it would be pretty hard to get non percussionist to learn battery tho. However most of you have better music depts. than it seems i do. Like the B marching band sounded like a great idea.
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Londonderry High School Marching Band: - Bass 2 | 2006-2007 | "Movie Extravaganza"
- Quints | 2007-2008 | "Music of America"
- Quints | 2008-2009 | "Tommy"
http://www.lancermusic.org/index.html
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#170713 - 08/30/08 11:47 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: Aaronicus]
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Registered: 06/30/08
Loc: Stamford, CT
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Last year for winter percussion, we had 3 of five basses come from the horn line. They were actually really good players, since our music is pretty basic and all you don't really need chops to play it, just ability to hit upbeats and stuff.
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#170855 - 09/02/08 11:00 PM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: DigitalDrummer]
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Registered: 06/30/08
Loc: Stamford, CT
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Eugh, some freshmen horn player started playing the other tenor's drums today, that poop's annoying.
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#170964 - 09/05/08 01:27 AM
Re: They're My Drums!!
[Re: bltsponge]
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Registered: 07/25/08
Loc: texas
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God, I just hate it when I'm walking through the band hall with my drum up and little freshman come up and start like banging the bottom head or touching my snares.
I'm just gonna start running them all over.
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