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#160214 - 04/10/08 04:46 PM Re: "least disciplined line I've ever worked with" [Re: SkyDog]
Mannineaux Offline


Registered: 03/16/07
Loc: Slidell, Louisiana
You need to talk to the BD about this situation. The BD (I'm the BD is paying him) will discuss your concerns with him and let him know he needs to tighten up or change his ways of doing things. After all, to most high school drumlines, learning music and drill in one month for a competition is pretty ridiculous. He needs to get his priorities in order.
Mainly, talk to the BD and get him/her to talk to him about the situation.
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#160268 - 04/12/08 05:38 AM Re: "least disciplined line I've ever worked with" [Re: Mannineaux]
SB4TS Offline


Registered: 12/23/07
Well learning drill a month before a competition isn't that ridiculous. There are some groups that don't even have all of the drill finished until a few days before the competition.


(let me know if i misunderstood what you meant there. . . cause i might have. . .im super tired and its been a long day. . ha)

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#160897 - 04/22/08 11:13 AM Re: "least disciplined line I've ever worked with" [Re: SB4TS]
BigLove Offline


Registered: 02/26/07
Loc: Houston, Texas
beedubya, i understand your pain man!!! I work down the road from this school, they are an excellent percussion program, and beedubya is an excellent director. Do i agree to his excuses yes and no, but i understand his job position for the school district he works for. Win a state championship 3 times then get told your job is being cut then the district has the nutz to ask him to bring his drumline to a board meeting to shake hands and tell him job well done him.

On the side of Sara there are some guys in our area with a "respected name" in both wgi, and DCI and these guys frequently burn bridges with students and directors. The person in question is not one of those.

The person in question has been great he does hold a full time with extra hours job, is on the wgi steering commities etc etc also with 2 kids under the age of 5 and still offeres his expertise and guidance to about 3 or 4 area ensembles including Imperial Percussion. He has been a huge help to our organization with what free time he does have. I know IPT didnt field this season but without this person we would not be in the positive business situation we are in now.

Yes he is late, but he doesnt have to help nobody if they want to complain. He has a welth of knowledge in the indoor activity and I have yet to see him flat out refuse assistance to anyone who asks him.

Sara be happy you do have a staff, cause I am all by myself where I teach just down the road from your school and it is really hard on me and my students but we make it work.
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#160906 - 04/22/08 04:07 PM Re: "least disciplined line I've ever worked with" [Re: BigLove]
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Registered: 11/01/06
Loc: Columbus, Ohio
My 2 cents. (with the caveat that as others have said, we don't and can't know the whole story)

It sounds like there are 2 primary problems:

Students who sound like they need to straighten up -- for trashing a bus I would've kicked them out and given them an F for the rest of the year! At a minimum, they need to have the necessary materials with them and make an effort to learn the music. It may be necessary to remove the troublemakers -- I don't care how talented a student (or anyone else) is, sometimes they really *aren't* worth the headaches they cause (heck, flunk 'em a couple of times and maybe they'll figure it out.)

An instructor who may have bitten off more than he can chew -- I'm sure it was with the best of intentions, but this may be one more job than he can realistically handle. A great instructor/arranger who just can't be relied upon to have the materials they are responsible for ready more or less on schedule most of the time is more of a headache than a mediocre instructor/arranger who can. It's *not* an overall poor reflection on the instructor (well, not if this is the first year this has happened), he just overestimated the amount of time he had to commit and perhaps should cut back next year.

Other stuff:

I don't know in what circumstances the "least disciplined line" comment were made under; in a heated tone it's a no-no, in a reasonable "hey, folks, this is the way it is" monologue it may just be something that needed to be said.

Unless the line is one of the insanely competitive programs (I think of them as "Drum Corp Lite") I don't think it's reasonable to expect them to learn music and drill to a competitive level in a week or two. It sounds like this program falls somewhere between "highly competitive" and "recreational" and I wouldn't expect them to be happy to drop everything to learn new music and drill just because the instructor was too overloaded to finish it on-time -- I'd be peeved, too. (I mean really, "I can't work at the Dairy Queen tonight, I have to practice my music." is not a formula for long employment.)
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#161061 - 04/24/08 12:32 PM Re: "least disciplined line I've ever worked with" [Re: Dragon150043]
WHSdrummer Offline


Registered: 11/14/07
Loc: Florence Alabama
 Originally Posted By: Dragon150043


Maybe you are being entirely too sensitive about it? Maybe you guys are lacking in areas that he believes you can achieve great things in. Maybe he is right? Maybe you are the least disciplined line he has ever worked with. When he said that, did it make you want to do better? Or did you all immediately think he was wrong and wanted to go tell the band director about it? To me, if an instructor said that, I would be VERY motivated to become one of his best lines. If he is late with delivering music, then just make the best of it. Have everyone practice sight reading so that when they get a sheet of music they need to perform, then cant hack through it a lot easier. If he is late to rehearsal, then be rehearsing before he gets there. Warming up and repping through music should be easy, and you all should be able to do it on your own. So when he gets there, he doesn't need to get people to stop screwing around and such. He can go to doing whatever got him to become a great mind in WGI.

He obviously is good at what he does if he is a head instructor in the first place. I would conform to him as much as possible. Because if he is as successful as you make him out to be, then he must know what he's doing. I would just not give him a reason to call you undisciplined.






I totaly agree. If someone tells me that I dont get mad I set out to prove them wrong. I have only marched one year but I am one of the best percussionist we have. Only becasuse if someone makes a comment that I dont like. I make sure to fix that problem so I dont get it again.
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10th grade year... 5th bass
11th grade year... Tenor

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