Aside from the Garfield Grip, what are the other kinds of grips? Especially the ones that allow spinning yet still have enough control to crash. Like uptwirls, number one etc.

The hold you're thinking of is a hold made for spinning. I'll try to explain the best I can without visuals. You put your fingers, minus the thumb, through the strap, and then spin it around so that the strap is held mainly through your index and middle finger.

We do that hold sometimes for visuals, but IMO, doesn't allow for crashes with good sound quality. It's possible, but I think it sounds like poo. I'd only use it for visuals, and even then, you don't need that hold for those visuals.

If you can find our Vic Firth video somewhere around the internet, you can see Southern Miss's cymbal line doing those kind of flips and visuals with the hold that I tried to explain earlier.

So during a piece you switch into the other grip? I still don't quite understand it. Is this the one Tennessee state uses; or I guess a clearer example, Drumline the movie? Can you post the url of the video by th way?

Pistol grip, in varying forms, facilitates spinning, as would an orchestral grip. but both of those require completly differnt crash techniques. With practice, one can flip easily and often with garfield grip.

There is a guy on here who has a great book about Cym playing, technique and vis stuff. i use it for my kids as a jumping off point

where may i see an example? im starting out with a line that's had no experience with cymbals nor an instructor

The only group that i know of to ever use an orchestral grip, was Umass, it ended up poorly, with one of the members loosing a finger. Dont reccomend that one.
FOr a true pistol grip see if you can find a video of scouts 2003 and back. University of michigan usea modified pistol grip.
But as a I said before, everything you want to do can be done with garfield grip. it facilitates the best sound, the most control, and has become the standard cymbal grip with few groups deviating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOB10-MKB-Y

Here's the video I was talking about. We're holding in the pistol grip for a good part, and I switch during the middle for more control on the taps, and switch back to pistol when I need it for the visuals.

Again, you can do pretty much everything you need with Garfield. I wouldn't recommend pistol grip.

cool vid