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#154228 - 01/28/08 01:54 PM Re: Which postition is the hardest?? [Re: cheesecake]
akeith5913 Offline


Registered: 07/10/07
Loc: Northbrook, IL
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I think it's pretty weird, but at our school bass difficulty is from 5th:hardest to 1st:easiest. Can anyone maybe fill me in on why our line's instructor does this?




If you mean 5th is the hardest to carry and 1st is easiest to carry then it's self explanatory.
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#154229 - 01/30/08 05:19 PM Re: Which postition is the hardest?? [Re: akeith5913]
SkyDog Offline


Registered: 12/29/05
Since I write my line's parts, the hardest drum is simply whichever drum I want it to be.

But generally speaking...
#1 has to have good hands.

#2 has to have good hands and a great feel for upbeats.

#3 is the "rock & roll" drum. In basic run patterns like a straight down-&-up, it's on beat 2 & 4 -- just like the snare drum in a typical rock & roll song.

#4 has fewer notes, but some upbeat stuff like #2. If the parts are moderately difficult, he'll need great wrists and fingers to bring out doubles on that loose, bouncy head.

#5 is often the easiest rhythmically, but there's no margin for error. If you mis-time a ff+ thump on the bottom bass, you make the whole line sound bad. (And add some difficulty points for being big & heavy.)

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#154230 - 02/20/08 09:07 PM Re: Which postition is the hardest?? [Re: SkyDog]
littlesnareboy Offline


Registered: 03/26/07
I think it greatly depends on the arranger. Like at my high school, there's no difference all they play is eighth notes anyway. At drum corps bass 1 and I (bass 2) have crazy crap that most of the other 3 basses dont' get much of. Just depends on the writer.
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#154231 - 02/20/08 09:58 PM Re: Which postition is the hardest?? [Re: littlesnareboy]
9Volt Offline


Registered: 02/12/08
Loc: OH-IO
Ive always been told exactly what you guys have said, About The first having hands
Second having hands AND rythmns
Ect

Ive never truley marched bass, and when I have, theirs no complexity bass, Show band, You honestly think we split?

But, Ive always been told bass 2 is the hardest, simply because they have to have wicked hands, because they lose a lot of speed with the mallets over sticks, so they have to have wicked snare hands, AND they connect, and run everytihng together, Ive noticed the 3rd bass is generally the connecting bass, but the 2nd bass seems to play the more complex faster parts, and connect them togheter


Edited by 9Volt (02/20/08 09:59 PM)
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#154232 - 02/21/08 11:47 AM Re: Which postition is the hardest?? [Re: MStatebass]
Pantera0001 Offline


Registered: 12/19/07
Loc: the lonestar state
I think 2 , 4 are the roughest to play. Anything that is not on the down beat is going to be challenging. You are right, you are the connector. Bass playing demands so much today.

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#154233 - 02/22/08 11:21 PM Re: Which postition is the hardest?? [Re: awbyrd]
basschick_sara Offline


Registered: 06/08/06
Loc: Missouri CIty, Texas
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The guy (or girl) who plays down here must be a THUG!




Well said. Personally, I don't feel like there are any positions in a bass line that are "less important". The way that a bass line functions, EVERYONE must be dead-on, or things fall apart quickly.

Because of my bass line's personnel, we're kind of arranged more by physical limitations rather than playing ability. Our first bass player is barely 5 feet tall and she probably weighs 90 lbs, so for her to march anything heaver than second would be ridiculous. Our second bass is a freshman, and even though she's like 5 inches taller than me, she's not as strong, and I don't think she'd do well carrying anything heavier. I'm the beast out of the girls, haha, so I always get stuck with the heaviest drums. I've marched 4th for a few seasons, and now I'm marching 3rd. The two guys are always on bottom.

For my line, 1st almost mirrors the snares. Your hands have to be good, and you have to be intelligent enough to know where to come in, because most of the time people are depending on you to start runs. Second plays less than first, but still a lot. The way my instructor writes, 2nd doesn't necessarily always play on upbeats, but you still have to have really good timing. You also have to be a pretty good marcher, because usually you set the angle for the rest of the basses. 3rd is best described as the "rock and roll drum". You're the anchor of the bassline, and you have control over a whole lot. You usually play the most notes out of the bass line. 4th is another drum where timing is really important. It's also pretty hefty, so it takes someone who's either pretty burly, or has a lot of determination. 5th is the foundation of the bass line. When the 5th bass drops out, there isn't any hiding it, so you have to be smart and know your part. It's also a unique drum because you sometimes get "bottom bass solos". You keep the beat for the entire drumline.
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#170262 - 08/23/08 12:51 AM Re: Which postition is the hardest?? [Re: basschick_sara]
Snare21 Offline


Registered: 08/21/08
Loc: Texas
First has to have chops
Second has to have chops, but be able to focus on timing.
Third has to have consistent timing.
Fourth has to have some cajones to get the runs, while carrying the drum.(speaking from lack of talent in my high schools 4th)
Fifth has to be able to tough it out, and have enough 'punch'.

Now every single bass needs to have incredible timing, and be able to match each other.If you don't listen or match, everything will sound like poop.

Each person needs to be dedicated, and willing to be the mathematical musicians they can be.

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#170391 - 08/24/08 11:15 PM Re: Which postition is the hardest?? [Re: Snare21]
A7xDrummer27 Offline


Registered: 06/19/08
Loc: Connecticut
2 and 4 are hardest to play because of how the splits normally line up, with those 2 being on the up beats (e's +'s and a's) but 2 often plays some of what the snares play so they have to have snugglebunny of chops to play clean witht the snares let alone the bass line
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#170426 - 08/25/08 05:40 PM Re: Which postition is the hardest?? [Re: Snare21]
scchsdrummer Offline
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Registered: 01/03/08
Loc: Odenville, Alabama USA


its much like the line as a whole. snares, tenors, and basses are all fun and challenging in their own way.
each bass is like this if you stop and think about it.
kinda like Snare21 said.

Originally Posted By: Snare21

First has to have chops
Second has to have chops, but be able to focus on timing.
Third has to have consistent timing.
Fourth has to have some cajones to get the runs, while carrying the drum.(speaking from lack of talent in my high schools 4th)
Fifth has to be able to tough it out, and have enough 'punch'.

Now every single bass needs to have incredible timing, and be able to match each other.If you don't listen or match, everything will sound like poop.

Each person needs to be dedicated, and willing to be the mathematical musicians they can be.

"A bass line that does (BLANK) together, plays (BLANK) well together"


all of this being said no bass is harder than the other in my opinion.
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#170908 - 09/03/08 10:12 PM Re: Which postition is the hardest?? [Re: MStatebass]
PantherDLine Offline


Registered: 09/03/08
Loc: Texas
1 and 2 in my opinion split 6's and what not, bass in general is a very mental drum to play tenors and snares all play unison no offense i played tenors in high school.
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