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#121597 - 12/16/06 02:21 PM Re: Becoming a band director [Re: UAbass]
jacoismyhero Offline


Registered: 11/28/05
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Every college I've looked at up around here (in PA, so including NY and OH) have had 4 year music education degree programs...
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#121598 - 12/17/06 02:14 PM Re: Becoming a band director [Re: jacoismyhero]
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Registered: 12/14/06
Loc: Alabama
Well like I said, you can do it in four years, but you would be taking the maximum number of hours every semester for all four years, which any college student can tell you is a tough feat.
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#121599 - 12/28/06 03:58 PM Re: Becoming a band director [Re: Cadet311]
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Registered: 01/22/06
Loc: Sanibel, FL
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What helps is a great amount of knowledge you can relay to students. And that you relay it effectively.


To make iteven clearer what he just said, you have to most of all remember that they are kids, they might not get it the first time, and their abilities willnot magically rise to your expectations, you have to bring your expectations a little bit above their abilities. Just be patient with them, I'm about to hurt my director right now because he's to mean to learn from. Usually people don't learn from mean people unless they're really motivated to. Just a thought.


Edited by Apollo (12/28/06 04:00 PM)
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#121600 - 12/30/06 04:19 AM Re: Becoming a band director [Re: UAbass]
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Registered: 03/31/03
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
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Well like I said, you can do it in four years, but you would be taking the maximum number of hours every semester for all four years, which any college student can tell you is a tough feat.




It all depends on who you are. If you plan on doing this, work up the habit now, before you get there. While I was in high school I studied half the time (I had plenty of APs) and practiced the other half. So when I got to college taking 19.5 units (my first semester, and it had Calculus 3 and Differential Equations in it too... Those are hard classes just in case you're wondering) was no big deal. I do know other people who struggle taking 12 or 14 units, some it's because of other pressures such as work and religion (One that I know I have great respect for, no parents to help, works to pay for college, is very active at her church, and has a child), others it is purely because they are lazy and have not built up a character that can do this kind of work.

Auditions. Look at audition requirements, music composition majors (this is me) and music education majors (this is you) need to audition too (At least at the colleges I've looked at). You may be required to do your audition on snare, timpani and marimba. This changes with each university and with each major (in many cases), so look at the university you would like to apply to and learn instruments accordingly (maybe get some lessons as well).

Now for the education major. Look at colleges, find out what their requirements are. If they are not available online talk to the adviser for undergrad music education and tell them you want specifics on their music education major, and that you want them for deciding what college to go to(if you leave out that last part they may just say, apply, get in, and then we'll talk). The other thing to do is examine the teachers, if there are certain teachers you would really like to learn from at a particular school you may want to lean towards that one.

As to what to start doing musically. I would recommend getting your music reading up. I can tell you that from playing piano and being able to sight read piano music proficiently that it has helped me greatly in my pursuit of learning other instruments and passing classes with greater ease (MUSIC THEORY! HINT HINT).

Now particularly for percussion I am not too sure (I actually study piano at school). All of my friends studying percussion play marimba as their primary instrument, they go to snare lessons and timpani lessons as well. I believe you will need to prove proficiency on all these instruments, but I am very unsure about this since I've never really asked. You should find out what's required so that you can start learning the proper instruments as soon as possible.

You will need to learn many instruments as well so I recommend learning an instrument from each category. Obviously percussion is taken care of, you will need to learn piano, then you can pick some others, my recommendations are cello, clarinet, and trumpet. In high school I did it differently, percussion and piano were done, those are my main instruments, then I did violin, tenor sax, and trumpet, I now wish I had done cello in the beginning.

If academics are a little difficult for you then you may also want to spend some time in music theory. Some people are killed by music theory and spend an extra year or two in college because of difficulties in music theory.


Edited by Trimen1000 (12/30/06 04:23 AM)
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#121601 - 01/06/07 04:13 PM Re: Becoming a band director [Re: Trimen1000]
DigitalDrummer Online   sleepy


Registered: 10/03/06
Loc: TX
Hats off to Trimen, your post was very helpful!

How much do colleges care about academic grades (math, science, history..) if you're applying to a music school?

This is a very helpful topic. Thanks to anyone who contributed!
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#121602 - 01/06/07 11:34 PM Re: Becoming a band director [Re: DigitalDrummer]
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Registered: 03/31/03
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
If you go to a music school (In other words you're a very strong concert percussionist) then they don't seem to care much about grades (At least from what I've heard).

I believe that any other place you go (Once again out of the schools I looked at) you must first get into the university, then you go to your audition for the music department.
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#121603 - 01/07/07 05:42 PM Re: Becoming a band director [Re: Trimen1000]
Nex Offline


Registered: 08/08/03
Loc: Montgomery, AL
You'll be looked at like any other applicant for the college itself (unless you're just so outstanding that the music faculty pulls some strings) for admission generally.

That's if you're talking about a school with a music department. If you're thinking of a conservatory, it generally changes from place to place.

As far as instruments . . . just go in with what you know, and if you have time, familiarize yourself with a piano if you never have before. There are generally intro courses to brass, percussion, woodwinds, and strings, so you'll get all the basics you need to be a director as long as you make sure to sign up for the proper classes.
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#121604 - 07/12/07 03:41 AM Re: Becoming a band director [Re: Nex]
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Registered: 06/21/04
Loc: Stark-Vegas, MS
I just got my schedule set for my first semester at Mississippi State University. I'm taking a bunch of music courses like, Theory, Ear Training, Voice, Piano, History, 3 ensembles, private lesson, applied instrument(woodwinds, brass,etc...), recital classes. That's all the music classes. And I'll be taking En Comp and Gen Psych...so that's like 12 or so hours of music, and 6 hrs of non-music class.

I figure that Psych is for working with the kids, how they think and how to deal with them. Math, you'll just need that cause it's Math...some science course/w labs, and World Civ. Those are some other things that I'll have to take later on and whatnot.

From talking with other band directors, some things to look forward to are knowing all major/minor scales, harmonic scales, triad, chords, intervals, conducting, orchestration/composing, student teaching, listening to some old guy with a monotone voice teaching music history/theory, and not having much of a life outside of music. Not sure bout that last part, but if you really want it that much, then I guess it shouldn't be a problem.

All I can say to you is, start expanding your horizon now...learn every scale you can, instrument, anything to make it that much easier on yourself. Good luck though man.
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#121605 - 07/12/07 09:56 AM Re: Becoming a band director [Re: Bridgeman83]
Cadet311 Global Moderator Offline


Registered: 09/12/04
Loc: North NJ
Let me put you one step ahead of your theory classmates...

The modes of the scale...

Ionian
Dorian
Phyrgian
Lydian
Mixolydian
Aeolian
Locrian
Ionian

and here's how you remember it...
I
Don't
Punch
Like
Muhammad
ALI

It's the best trick I've ever learned.
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#162012 - 05/09/08 05:06 AM Re: Becoming a band director [Re: ]
Percplayer4 Offline
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Registered: 09/26/07
Loc: Milwaukee, WI
I am currently a senior Music Education Major (Instrumental/Choral and General Music) and I think the best way for you to prepare to be a future band/orch. director is to become a better musician. Someone previously said that you do not need to be the best player to be a band/orch. director...this is true to a point. You do not have to be the best technical player, but you need to be a good musician. Some things that will help you be a better musician are:

1. Keep working your piano skills (lessons are preferred)
2. If you haven't already, start studying musical theory.
3. If you haven't already, start studying musical history.
4. Continue to sing in choirs (This will develop your ear training, which will make you better at tuning chords in ensembles....and also good at tuning timpani!)
5. I know it sounds cheesy...but have a passion for teaching..so many directors are just wannabe performance majors who go into education "to fall back on something". Just because you're not a good performer means you are going to be a good educator.

I hope this gives you some direction. Also, someone previously mentioned that you need a Ph.D. to teach music in college. That isn't necessarily true. If you want to teach percussion lessons in college or even direct bands, you can get a job with just a masters (Doctorate is recommended though). However if you want to teach Music Education in a University, you will need a Ph.D.

Good luck in the future!
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