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#116339 - 07/24/06 02:41 PM
"Pad Hands"
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Registered: 01/04/06
Loc: Russell, Ky
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Does anyone else have these? I find that, late in the summer, right when band camp starts, the drum feels really weird. The rebound is out of wack, and that throws my arc off. I can't practice on a drum that much, so my only other option is to play on a drum pad. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to prevent "pad hands"? 
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#116342 - 07/25/06 06:11 PM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: InfernalPenguin]
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Loc: Russell, Ky
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Yeah. I thought about using the other side, but I hate the way it sounds. I actually believe it has less rebound than a snare. Maybe one day a company will perfect the feel, withou the volume. 
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#116343 - 07/26/06 05:25 PM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: snare13]
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Registered: 08/08/03
Loc: Montgomery, AL
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I use the Heavy Hitter Slimpad, and since getting it (a year and a half ago), I haven't had a case of pad hands that I can remember. Used to happen a lot on Real Feels though.
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#116344 - 12/03/06 03:02 PM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: Nex]
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"Pad hands"?
Reminds me of the old "its these sticks!" excuse to not playing well.
I've played the HQ gum side for years, never had a problem going from it to a high tension snare drum, or any drum for that matter. Consider this: Maybe you are changing your approach to each. Im not accusing anything, im just saying that if you approach the pad the same way you approach the drum, and vice versa, you shouldnt have any long term problems. And if you do have problems, it can be eliminated by doing what your supposed to do before you play...warm up.
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#116346 - 12/03/06 08:51 PM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: x3drumbum3x]
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Pad hands are a funny thing. They happen to just about anyone who practices regularly(or constantly) on a pad. The only real way to avoid it is to play on a drum consistently throughout the year. It shouldn't be something you worry about too much though. If you have pad hands, you at least have hands. It should take a short amount of time to recondition your hands to the feel of the Kevlar head. Don't worry about pad hands and just worry about getting perfect hands.
Right on the money. As for "Padhands" being some big issue, i don't believe in it, but the above pretty much spells it out anyhow.
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#116350 - 12/29/06 05:29 PM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: drum_addict09]
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Registered: 02/14/06
Loc: Mesa, AZ
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My Slimpad has helped this so much, I LOVE IT!
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#116352 - 12/31/06 03:54 PM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: Trimen1000]
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Registered: 01/04/06
Loc: Russell, Ky
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I play a slim pad now, and it does feel more like a snare. However, I think it's a little too loud. I'm going to get a moongel. Then I'll be able to play on about any surface. 
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#116353 - 01/01/07 10:45 AM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: snare13]
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Yeah dude. Moongels really build up your chops simply because of the fact that there is literally NO bounce.
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#116354 - 01/01/07 03:37 PM
Re: "Pad Hands"
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Another thing that helps..well it helps me anyways, is switch up sticks. I mean practice what you play with you normal sticks, then switch to like 7A's or smaller, sometimes even brushes or hotrods. (ever tried doing infinity rolls with wire brushes?)Your hands never get used to the pad, and when you get on the drum it takes muck less effort to play it.
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#116356 - 01/03/07 05:50 PM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: NeoGoober]
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Registered: 01/04/06
Loc: Russell, Ky
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I don't like using lighter stick. It's like trying to bench 300, and working out with 75. It's going to take quite a while.
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#116358 - 01/04/07 12:23 PM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: Trimen1000]
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Another good thing that I found, is if you break a stick at a game or something, not every one has spare marching sticks, but they usually have something else (I carry 5A's for when I play quads) So if you are handed a different stick, you will be able to use it productively.
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#116359 - 01/04/07 06:11 PM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: NeoGoober]
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Registered: 03/22/05
Loc: Michigan
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I think playing on a variety of surfaces helps. From pillows to carpet to mousepads to table tops and pads, if you can adjust to playing on different surfaces going back to a drum should be cake.
I couldn't agree more. You can also try different types of pads (realfeel, heavy hitter, putty pad), switching between them. Try using hi-hats or even basketballs for a different feel. Since different drums can feel different this adjustment can be good practice.
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#116361 - 11/27/07 08:20 AM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: FredWatson]
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Registered: 07/26/04
Loc: Hattiesburg, MS (USM)
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So I have two ideas to throw out here.
If it is the feel of the pad then try to find a pad that feels to you most like playing on a drum. To me a slim pad with a laminate does just that. It does make a very obnoxious racket though. Realfeels are really good too.
But what I think may be the problem is like posture change, position or pad/drum change, or technique change. I've seen people a lot just like lay/sit around with their pad in their lap. I don't know about most people but for me I have to pull my elbow back quite a bit to play like this, and sometimes I tend to like "break" the wrist like not pulling it back right like having to pull it in to play right. Like accommodating for the pad not being in the area a drum would be. This especially in the left hand. Basically what I'm trying to compare this to is if you play with your drum too low or too high and you create unnecessary tension or accommodate your technique for it. Then when its the right height you've developed those bad habits and you have to get rid of it.
Basically what I'm trying to say is the technique and way you play on your pad should be the same technique that you would use for playing on a drum.
Tip for fixing problem... put the pad on your snare drum or a snare stand.
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. The more refined your technique becomes, the more awkward it's going to be to apply minor changes to that technique, even if it involves moving from sitting down with a pad to a drum on a carrier. That's why I try to practice my actual playing position as much as possible.
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#116362 - 11/29/07 09:58 AM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: HCHSDrummer05]
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Registered: 05/29/07
Loc: RTP, North Carolina
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A lot of things I see that people would call "pad hands" are not problems with the pad itself, but with how people play on the pad. For example, setting it on one's lap will have the surface much closer to the body than a drum will be. Also, since it's not a loud surface, a lot of people don't notice fluctuations in sound quality, especially with diddles, so the player will lose a lot of confidence when he hears how he actually sounds on a drum.
I play my snare drum on a tilt, and when you play the right hand off the drum head, the attack should be perpendicular to the head, rather than vertical. This adaptation will be very natural on a drum; however, a pad is much more forgiving of 'angle of attack' problems, and you won't notice that you've been "slicing" until you put on the drum, or really look at yourself in a mirror.
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#116363 - 12/30/07 08:37 PM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: FredWatson]
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Registered: 09/26/07
Loc: Rammer Jammer Alabamer
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So I have two ideas to throw out here.
If it is the feel of the pad then try to find a pad that feels to you most like playing on a drum. To me a slim pad with a laminate does just that. It does make a very obnoxious racket though. Realfeels are really good too.
But what I think may be the problem is like posture change, position or pad/drum change, or technique change. I've seen people a lot just like lay/sit around with their pad in their lap. I don't know about most people but for me I have to pull my elbow back quite a bit to play like this, and sometimes I tend to like "break" the wrist like not pulling it back right like having to pull it in to play right. Like accommodating for the pad not being in the area a drum would be. This especially in the left hand. Basically what I'm trying to compare this to is if you play with your drum too low or too high and you create unnecessary tension or accommodate your technique for it. Then when its the right height you've developed those bad habits and you have to get rid of it.
Basically what I'm trying to say is the technique and way you play on your pad should be the same technique that you would use for playing on a drum.
Tip for fixing problem... put the pad on your snare drum or a snare stand.
Yeah, when I used a Vic Firth Slim Pad it virtually eliminated y pad hands, as in it still had given me very small amounts of "pad hands" but a kevlar head is just a little bit harder. {?} I don't use the laminate, but it still has very similar feel.
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#116365 - 01/13/08 02:26 PM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: drum_addict09]
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Registered: 01/13/08
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really? i find that playing it on a pad makes it easier so when i play non a drum its much cleaner
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#161621 - 05/04/08 05:51 AM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: drum_addict09]
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Registered: 08/29/04
Loc: michigan
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I dont know about the reel feel pads, to help reduce pad hands... To each his own i guess. Anyway i have heard of pad hands from playing too much on the pad, but usually it doesnt take to long to remember the feel of a drum. I think the guy who said not to change the approach was right on the money.
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#165999 - 06/23/08 08:06 PM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: Zep]
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Registered: 06/23/08
Loc: CA
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really? i find that playing it on a pad makes it easier so when i play non a drum its much cleaner After I play on a pad, switching to a legitimate kevlar head is really different. I feel like after I drum on my pad, my rolls aren't as crisp when I go to the drum.
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#166280 - 06/25/08 10:14 PM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: Gernads]
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Registered: 10/23/07
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This has helped me immensely with playing the quads and going from the pad to the quads. Honestly I think pad hands is more of a snare phenomenon, just because those Kevlar heads are so tight it's like playing on a kitchen counter. Tenor heads have a lot more give to them, more like a pad.
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#166317 - 06/26/08 11:45 AM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: dredpir8roberts]
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Registered: 02/10/07
Loc: Chesterland, Ohio
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This has helped me immensely with playing the quads and going from the pad to the quads. Honestly I think pad hands is more of a snare phenomenon, just because those Kevlar heads are so tight it's like playing on a kitchen counter. Tenor heads have a lot more give to them, more like a pad. I have done this both with quads and snare. Sorry for the confusion.
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#166350 - 06/26/08 03:51 PM
Re: "Pad Hands"
[Re: dredpir8roberts]
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Registered: 08/29/04
Loc: michigan
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This has helped me immensely with playing the quads and going from the pad to the quads. Honestly I think pad hands is more of a snare phenomenon, just because those Kevlar heads are so tight it's like playing on a kitchen counter. Tenor heads have a lot more give to them, more like a pad. I think it can be applied to every instrument in the drumline. To me pad ahands has more broad of a definition than "Playing on a pad too long makes me not play well on a drum" I think it has a direct relation to playing lazily and not focusing on the basics of technique and approach as well. I find it real easy to play with improper technique and "Lazily" if i'm playing with a pad in my lap just hacking away.
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